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Does astrology work for animals?
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Blahhh
2005-04-20 05:10:08 UTC
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Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?

Blahhh

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I. R. Heller
2005-04-20 10:47:45 UTC
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Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
IRH:
Yes, it seems to work also for animals. I recently found a small book called
"Cat Astrology" - a Complete Guide to Feline Horoscopes, by Michael Zullo,
2001 Andrews McMeel Publishing, Kansas City
This should also be able to be applied to other animals.
Why not.
Enjoy.
Be well,
I.R.Heller
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c***@msn.com
2005-04-21 09:26:11 UTC
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My two cats were Aries and Cancer and the Aries one is impulsive and
headstrong and doesnt think of the consequences of what he does (just
like my best friend, also Aries), my cancer cat was very sensitive and
a typical cancer in personality.
kjelleman
2005-04-21 10:48:38 UTC
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I had a cat that I happen to know the birth date of, he was
mid-Sagittarius. I am mid-Gemini and the opposition was fairly tight,
so perhaps there was some synastry there? Also, he had Sun conjunct
Uranus and I have my third house in feline Leo, containing Uranus.

Well, not much to go on, but perhaps an indication that astrology would
work for them as well. If synastry works, then the rest would too I'd
guess.

/Kjell
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Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
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astropophageous
2005-04-25 21:42:04 UTC
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Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
You can make a birthchart for anything which comes into existence at a
particular moment in time, that should be obvious. The Titanic has its birth
chart, so have countries, cities, and buildings. Whether you believe in them
or not it another matter.

As for animals, take cats as an example.
Cats, AFAIK, are born during two distinct periods each year : once in May,
and once in September (I may be wrong but just consider the general
principle).

So obviously there ARE NO "Aquarius" cats, or "Pisces" or whatever cats. The
Sun in their birth charts will always be whatever it is - Taurus and Gemini,
or Libra and Scorpio I suppose.

The fact that the Sun can only be in a few of the zodiacal signs means that
we can't assign the same meaning to Sun signs in cats as we do to in human
beings which are born all year round. All cats are just one of the following
: Taurus, Gemini, Libra, Scorpio (assuming that my info about their birth
periods is correct).

That means that there is much less information in a cat's Sun sign than
there is in a human being's, and this implies that in comparison, the signs
the Moon and the Ascendant are in are much more important - theoretically at
least, as I am not sure the moon and ascendant signs are not subject to a
similar limitation as the sun signs.

In short, for cats look at the moon signs rather than the sun signs.

astropophageous
Ray Murphy
2005-04-26 13:27:56 UTC
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Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
You can make a birthchart for anything which comes into existence at a
particular moment in time, that should be obvious. The Titanic has its birth
chart, so have countries, cities, and buildings. Whether you believe in them
or not it another matter.
RM: I don't believe that non-living entities have horoscopes, nor do I
believe that humans "own" their charts. I think that each chart is
merely a reflection of time and place and that each "time chart" is
related to all other "time charts" but some more than others.

[....]
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astropophageous
2005-04-27 13:45:54 UTC
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Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
You can make a birthchart for anything which comes into existence at a
particular moment in time, that should be obvious. The Titanic has its birth
chart, so have countries, cities, and buildings. Whether you believe in them
or not it another matter.
RM: I don't believe that non-living entities have horoscopes, nor do I
believe that humans "own" their charts. I think that each chart is
merely a reflection of time and place and that each "time chart" is
related to all other "time charts" but some more than others.
According to what you are saying here, there shouldn't be such a thing as
mundane astrology either. But there most definitely is. The big astrological
cycles (conjunction of Jupiter/Saturn, Jupiter/Neptune, etc.), yearly
ingress horoscopes which mark the beginning of the astronomical year,
quarterly ingress horoscopes, etc. - all have their horoscopes.

Furthermore, the Titanic has not one, but several horoscopes. One for her
maiden voyage, one for her launch, one for the beginning of construction at
the yard, one for the end of construction, and certainly one for the moment
she struck the iceberg (which are the transits of the moments of course).

And what else is a horary horoscope then ? It's most certainly a horososcope
for a non-living thing, isn't it ?

But tell me, why don't you believe non-living things have horoscopes ?

astropophageous
Ray Murphy
2005-04-27 19:34:05 UTC
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Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
You can make a birthchart for anything which comes into existence at a
particular moment in time, that should be obvious. The Titanic has its
birth chart, so have countries, cities, and buildings. Whether you
believe in
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them or not it another matter.
RM: I don't believe that non-living entities have horoscopes, nor do I
believe that humans "own" their charts. I think that each chart is
merely a reflection of time and place and that each "time chart" is
related to all other "time charts" but some more than others.
According to what you are saying here, there shouldn't be such a thing as
mundane astrology either. But there most definitely is. The big astrological
cycles (conjunction of Jupiter/Saturn, Jupiter/Neptune, etc.), yearly
ingress horoscopes which mark the beginning of the astronomical year,
quarterly ingress horoscopes, etc. - all have their horoscopes.
RM: We can make horoscopes for anything, but getting some of them to
work convincingly is the hard part sometimes.
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Furthermore, the Titanic has not one, but several horoscopes. One for her
maiden voyage, one for her launch, one for the beginning of construction at
the yard, one for the end of construction, and certainly one for the moment
she struck the iceberg (which are the transits of the moments of course).
RM: I see them only as event charts, and I think we'll get a lot more
out of charts for inanimate things if we treat them as such.
Astrologers are still focussing more "popular" charts for cities and
countries with rubbery boundaries and uncertain starting dates.
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And what else is a horary horoscope then ? It's most certainly a horososcope
for a non-living thing, isn't it ?
RM: Yes, but I wouldn't use horary unless I could see that it worked
on the principle of one time + place being somehow related to another
time + place. I would have looked into it to see if that's the case,
but (unlike Tropical natal astrology, and transits) I haven't seen any
impressive examples yet.
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But tell me, why don't you believe non-living things have horoscopes ?
RM: My non-belief in inanimate things having horoscopes stems from
observations while practising astrology that indicated that people
instinctively "know" their charts and transits, and also the charts of
others a lot of the time. That's fair enough -- but inanimate objects
or cities cannot "know" anything or decide to act.
I've also seen quite a few fascinating examples of charts apparently
"working" long after people have died, so I now look at charts as
permanent things which humans just latch onto and adopt.

The terminology we use doesn't make much difference, but I think it
can be restrictive.
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astropophageous
2005-05-02 18:45:51 UTC
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Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
You can make a birthchart for anything which comes into existence at a
particular moment in time, that should be obvious. The Titanic has its
birth chart, so have countries, cities, and buildings. Whether you
believe in
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them or not it another matter.
RM: I don't believe that non-living entities have horoscopes, nor do I
believe that humans "own" their charts. I think that each chart is
merely a reflection of time and place and that each "time chart" is
related to all other "time charts" but some more than others.
According to what you are saying here, there shouldn't be such a thing as
mundane astrology either. But there most definitely is. The big astrological
cycles (conjunction of Jupiter/Saturn, Jupiter/Neptune, etc.), yearly
ingress horoscopes which mark the beginning of the astronomical year,
quarterly ingress horoscopes, etc. - all have their horoscopes.
RM: We can make horoscopes for anything, but getting some of them to
work convincingly is the hard part sometimes.
So what ? Most of the time, I find personal horoscopes to be not very
convincing.
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Furthermore, the Titanic has not one, but several horoscopes. One for her
maiden voyage, one for her launch, one for the beginning of construction at
the yard, one for the end of construction, and certainly one for the moment
she struck the iceberg (which are the transits of the moments of course).
RM: I see them only as event charts, and I think we'll get a lot more
out of charts for inanimate things if we treat them as such.
Astrologers are still focussing more "popular" charts for cities and
countries with rubbery boundaries and uncertain starting dates.
Isn't be birth of a human being an event as ? Why not call its horoscope an
event chart as well ?

(...)
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But tell me, why don't you believe non-living things have horoscopes ?
RM: My non-belief in inanimate things having horoscopes stems from
observations while practising astrology that indicated that people
instinctively "know" their charts and transits, and also the charts of
others a lot of the time. That's fair enough -- but inanimate objects
or cities cannot "know" anything or decide to act.
I feel there is nothing fundamental in this implying living things can have
horoscopes while non-living things cannot.
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I've also seen quite a few fascinating examples of charts apparently
"working" long after people have died, so I now look at charts as
permanent things which humans just latch onto and adopt.
You can erect a chart for literally any moment in time, without being
connected to the birth of a human being or anything else. Only the chart
for the exact moment of someone's birth, however, will be "latched onto" by
that person.

Could you explain how such a chart could go on "working" ?

astropophageous
Ray Murphy
2005-05-02 23:08:23 UTC
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Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
You can make a birthchart for anything which comes into existence at a
particular moment in time, that should be obvious. The Titanic has its
birth chart, so have countries, cities, and buildings. Whether you
believe in them or not it another matter.
RM: I don't believe that non-living entities have horoscopes, nor do I
believe that humans "own" their charts. I think that each chart is
merely a reflection of time and place and that each "time chart" is
related to all other "time charts" but some more than others.
According to what you are saying here, there shouldn't be such a thing as
mundane astrology either. But there most definitely is. The big
astrological cycles (conjunction of Jupiter/Saturn,
Jupiter/Neptune, etc.), yearly
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ingress horoscopes which mark the beginning of the astronomical year,
quarterly ingress horoscopes, etc. - all have their horoscopes.
RM: We can make horoscopes for anything, but getting some of them to
work convincingly is the hard part sometimes.
So what ? Most of the time, I find personal horoscopes to be not very
convincing.
RM: Everything in any given birth chart can't work because there are
too many factors involved, and many transits can't work because we
don't have time to live them all, so we are usually only convinced if
we pick the best ones. If we're not picking those best factors we
wouldn't be all that convinced.
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Furthermore, the Titanic has not one, but several horoscopes. One for her
maiden voyage, one for her launch, one for the beginning of construction
at the yard, one for the end of construction, and certainly one for the
moment she struck the iceberg (which are the transits of the
moments of course).
Post by astropophageous
Post by Ray Murphy
RM: I see them only as event charts, and I think we'll get a lot more
out of charts for inanimate things if we treat them as such.
Astrologers are still focussing more "popular" charts for cities and
countries with rubbery boundaries and uncertain starting dates.
Isn't be birth of a human being an event as ? Why not call its horoscope an
event chart as well ?
RM: That's what I am doing.
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But tell me, why don't you believe non-living things have horoscopes ?
RM: My non-belief in inanimate things having horoscopes stems from
observations while practising astrology that indicated that people
instinctively "know" their charts and transits, and also the charts of
others a lot of the time. That's fair enough -- but inanimate objects
or cities cannot "know" anything or decide to act.
I feel there is nothing fundamental in this implying living things can have
horoscopes while non-living things cannot.
RM: It's not a popular idea at all. It seems that a high proportion of
astrologers believe that countries, cities, towns, ships, planes,
businesses etc have their own charts.
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Post by Ray Murphy
I've also seen quite a few fascinating examples of charts apparently
"working" long after people have died, so I now look at charts as
permanent things which humans just latch onto and adopt.
You can erect a chart for literally any moment in time, without being
connected to the birth of a human being or anything else. Only the chart
for the exact moment of someone's birth, however, will be "latched onto" by
that person.
RM: It's the astrologers who do the latching. I believe that the
people born at their respective times have the qualities of those
times (or dates) whether anyone does any latching or not. It could be
compared with saying "He was born in 1950 Alabama, and he has the
qualities of that time and place, and the transitting things around
him coloured his life".
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Could you explain how such a chart could go on "working" ?
RM: Besides the normal amount of time an astrologer spends casually
looking at transits, I've spent a great amount of time analysing
transits manually and semi-automatically while verifying or rectifying
charts, and duriing the last 3 years by doing a lot of heavy research,
and I've seen numerous cases where transits would have worked in
typical or classical ways IF a person had not died when they did.
These seem most obvious for family gatherings, births, deaths and
funerals, where the person could reasonably have been expected to
experience those things in the expected ways according to the basic
rules of Tropical astrologyif they had still been alive.

It is also quite noticeable in synastry - where peple seem to
gravitate towards potential partners on a "best fit" basis, according
to transits that occurred before or after birth. That may only be a
"sensing" of the other person's chart, or perhaps it's only an acute
awareness of what a person is displaying FROM their chart, but I've
been looking at this stuff for so long now that I don't make any
distinction between the past or the future when looking at transits,
and that means looking at several generations sometimes.

This working in "reverse" may not look all that logical, but then
astrology itself looks a bit illogical anyway - but it works. Besides
that we have a fair bit of precedent which indicates that "reversal"
can also be very revealing at times.

Let's say my Venus was on my grandmother's Ascendant when I was born.
I had no "transit" to her Ascendant, but she had the transit of Venus
to HER Ascendant. This means that "my birthdate" or "my birth chart"
(same thing) was linked to hers automatically. So was every other
birthdate or birth chart -- whether she met those people or not.

What I'm saying here is that my Venus (20 Scorpio) is linked
reasonably strongly to ALL Ascendants at that degree, and vice versa,
so it doesn't matter if there is nothing logical about reversals if
they work.

Of course every planet at every degree is somehow "linked" to every
other degree, but some more than others - as all astrologers will
attest, and it's these "stronger links" that count - especially when
other factors are combined, and moreso when people have reason to
interact with other people who's charts (or dates) connect well with
theirs.

If my idea is right, and *dates* are linked with other dates as a
part of Nature - then we are only "latching onto" those dates (or
birth charts).and going for a ride with them for our lifetime and
calling the charts OURS as a matter of convenience.

These ideas wouldn't suit some astrologers because some seem to treat
planets of friendly or unfriendly "gods" or guardian angels looking
over their shoulders making them do stuff, or protecting them. It may
not fit with the idea of reincarnation either.
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astropophageous
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Spica
2005-04-26 18:21:53 UTC
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Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
You can make a birthchart for anything which comes into existence at a
particular moment in time, that should be obvious. The Titanic has its birth
chart, so have countries, cities, and buildings. Whether you believe in them
or not it another matter.
As for animals, take cats as an example.
Cats, AFAIK, are born during two distinct periods each year : once in May,
and once in September (I may be wrong but just consider the general
principle).
So obviously there ARE NO "Aquarius" cats, or "Pisces" or whatever cats. The
Sun in their birth charts will always be whatever it is - Taurus and Gemini,
or Libra and Scorpio I suppose.
One of my my cats is Aquarius!

Spica
astropophageous
2005-04-27 13:50:06 UTC
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Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
You can make a birthchart for anything which comes into existence at a
particular moment in time, that should be obvious. The Titanic has its birth
chart, so have countries, cities, and buildings. Whether you believe in them
or not it another matter.
As for animals, take cats as an example.
Cats, AFAIK, are born during two distinct periods each year : once in May,
and once in September (I may be wrong but just consider the general
principle).
So obviously there ARE NO "Aquarius" cats, or "Pisces" or whatever cats. The
Sun in their birth charts will always be whatever it is - Taurus and Gemini,
or Libra and Scorpio I suppose.
One of my my cats is Aquarius!
Spica
So what you are meaning to say it that your cat was born in January/February
?

If this is true, then it just means that my info about the which period of
the year cats are born in is wrong. I did consider the possibility of being
wrong about this, didn't I ?

Just extrapolate my post for this new info and if you do the thinking, you
will see I am still right. It's just common sense.

astropophageous

P.S. What time of year are cats born ? If you know, you might as well give
the answer.
Spica
2005-04-28 00:22:18 UTC
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Yes, my cat was born on the 30th of January (1994, 10:50pm, London)

Spica
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Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
You can make a birthchart for anything which comes into existence at a
particular moment in time, that should be obvious. The Titanic has its birth
chart, so have countries, cities, and buildings. Whether you believe in them
or not it another matter.
As for animals, take cats as an example.
Cats, AFAIK, are born during two distinct periods each year : once in
May,
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and once in September (I may be wrong but just consider the general
principle).
So obviously there ARE NO "Aquarius" cats, or "Pisces" or whatever
cats.
The
Sun in their birth charts will always be whatever it is - Taurus and Gemini,
or Libra and Scorpio I suppose.
One of my my cats is Aquarius!
Spica
So what you are meaning to say it that your cat was born in
January/February
?
If this is true, then it just means that my info about the which period of
the year cats are born in is wrong. I did consider the possibility of being
wrong about this, didn't I ?
Just extrapolate my post for this new info and if you do the thinking, you
will see I am still right. It's just common sense.
astropophageous
P.S. What time of year are cats born ? If you know, you might as well give
the answer.
astropophageous
2005-05-02 18:25:02 UTC
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Yes, my cat was born on the 30th of January (1994, 10:50pm, London)
Spica
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P.S. What time of year are cats born ? If you know, you might as well give
the answer.
In view of what I was actually asking, I would like you to reread it, and
provide the information, if you don't mind and if it is not too much to ask
for, of course.

astropophageous
Keera Ann Fox
2005-04-26 19:35:39 UTC
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As for animals, take cats as an example.
Cats, AFAIK, are born during two distinct periods each year : once in May,
and once in September (I may be wrong but just consider the general
principle).
So obviously there ARE NO "Aquarius" cats, or "Pisces" or whatever cats. The
Sun in their birth charts will always be whatever it is - Taurus and Gemini,
or Libra and Scorpio I suppose.
I think you'll need to find a better principle. This one is just not
going to work as an illustration. Cats, you see, are pretty much in heat
all year round. Any breeder, vet or owner of an intact queen can tell
you that. Perhaps you were thinking of bitches, which go into heat 1-2
times a year.
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That means that there is much less information in a cat's Sun sign than
there is in a human being's, and this implies that in comparison, the signs
the Moon and the Ascendant are in are much more important -
Getting an ascendant assumes you know when your particular one of the
litter of nine was actually born. ;-)
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theoretically at least, as I am not sure the moon and ascendant signs are
not subject to a similar limitation as the sun signs.
In short, for cats look at the moon signs rather than the sun signs.
The advice I was given when doing charts for animals, is to leave out
the outer planets, as animals are not in a position to need to seek out
the greater picture or the spiritual world. No higher knowledge is
needed in their lives or required of them.
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Keera in Norway ~~ Think big. Shrink to fit.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/
kjelleman
2005-04-27 13:30:00 UTC
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The advice I was given when doing charts for animals, is to leave out
the outer planets, as animals are not in a position to need to seek out
the greater picture or the spiritual world. No higher knowledge is
needed in their lives or required of them.
Hmmm... So I take it that you discredit the idea of the famulus? ;-)

/Kjell

http://www.geocities.com/lavenderwater37/familiars.htm
Keera Ann Fox
2005-04-27 17:20:01 UTC
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The advice I was given when doing charts for animals, is to leave out
the outer planets, as animals are not in a position to need to seek out
the greater picture or the spiritual world. No higher knowledge is
needed in their lives or required of them.
Hmmm... So I take it that you discredit the idea of the famulus? ;-)
Not at all. Being a familiar doesn't mean an animal must seek out the
spiritual world or needs to evolve spiritually. They are already
spiritual creatures. Only humans are in the odd position of believing we
are separate and separated from our source, and so need different tools
to help us get rid of that belief - or get the big picture, evolve
spiritually. It goes with having a physical body.

So, original astrology stops at Saturn, the original outer limit of our
solar system (and, symbolically, of our physical experience). As
humanity has evolved, new planets have been discovered to reflect that.
We are all products of our time. Currently, people have the mind of God
(Uranus), the heart of God (Neptune) and the will of God (Pluto) in
their charts.
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http://www.geocities.com/lavenderwater37/familiars.htm
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http://home.online.no/~kafox/
astropophageous
2005-04-27 14:02:22 UTC
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As for animals, take cats as an example.
Cats, AFAIK, are born during two distinct periods each year : once in May,
and once in September (I may be wrong but just consider the general
principle).
So obviously there ARE NO "Aquarius" cats, or "Pisces" or whatever cats. The
Sun in their birth charts will always be whatever it is - Taurus and Gemini,
or Libra and Scorpio I suppose.
I think you'll need to find a better principle. This one is just not
going to work as an illustration. Cats, you see, are pretty much in heat
all year round. Any breeder, vet or owner of an intact queen can tell
you that. Perhaps you were thinking of bitches, which go into heat 1-2
times a year.
My post was written on the assumption - I wrote "AFAIK", which means "as far
as I know" - that cats are born twice a year, once around May and once
around September. If this is wrong and they are born all year round (which I
don't think is correct) then do the thinking and apply the data to a better
example. I wasn't thinking of bitches, but obviously this would be a good
example. You got the general principle anyway, didn't you ?
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That means that there is much less information in a cat's Sun sign than
there is in a human being's, and this implies that in comparison, the signs
the Moon and the Ascendant are in are much more important -
Getting an ascendant assumes you know when your particular one of the
litter of nine was actually born. ;-)
There would practically be no difference between their respective
ascendants, and the position of the Moon would certainly be the same for all
kittens as well, but there would of course be one position of the ascendant.
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
theoretically at least, as I am not sure the moon and ascendant signs are
not subject to a similar limitation as the sun signs.
In short, for cats look at the moon signs rather than the sun signs.
The advice I was given when doing charts for animals, is to leave out
the outer planets, as animals are not in a position to need to seek out
the greater picture or the spiritual world. No higher knowledge is
needed in their lives or required of them.
That may be right or wrong, I don't know. I wouldn't look too much at the
outer planets either, in any case. What I think is important here is what I
was saying about the sun in animals charts.

astropophageous
Keera Ann Fox
2005-04-27 18:19:21 UTC
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Post by Keera Ann Fox
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As for animals, take cats as an example.
Cats, AFAIK, are born during two distinct periods each year : once in
May,
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
and once in September (I may be wrong but just consider the general
principle).
So obviously there ARE NO "Aquarius" cats, or "Pisces" or whatever cats.
The
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
Sun in their birth charts will always be whatever it is - Taurus and
Gemini,
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
or Libra and Scorpio I suppose.
I think you'll need to find a better principle. This one is just not
going to work as an illustration. Cats, you see, are pretty much in heat
all year round. Any breeder, vet or owner of an intact queen can tell
you that. Perhaps you were thinking of bitches, which go into heat 1-2
times a year.
My post was written on the assumption - I wrote "AFAIK", which means "as far
as I know" -
Yes, I know that, and what you knew didn't go far. ;-) Which is why I
chimed in.
Post by astropophageous
that cats are born twice a year, once around May and once
around September. If this is wrong and they are born all year round (which I
don't think is correct) then do the thinking and apply the data to a better
example. I wasn't thinking of bitches, but obviously this would be a good
example. You got the general principle anyway, didn't you ?
I'm not sure. To me, it's based on faulty premises. For one thing, the
breeding habits of domesticated small animals (i.e. pets) do not
necessarily mimic the habits of their wild counterparts. Domestic dogs
can breed any time of the year, for example. My friend had a Sagittarian
dog and it truly did express a number of Jupiterian stereotypes.
Post by astropophageous
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
That means that there is much less information in a cat's Sun sign
than there is in a human being's, and this implies that in comparison,
the signs the Moon and the Ascendant are in are much more important -
Getting an ascendant assumes you know when your particular one of the
litter of nine was actually born. ;-)
There would practically be no difference between their respective
ascendants, and the position of the Moon would certainly be the same for all
kittens as well, but there would of course be one position of the ascendant.
It doesn't sound like you've actually been present when puppies or
kittens are being born. They don't all come out the same minute, but one
at a time (which I'm sure their mother is grateful for), and often with
little pauses between each one, so no, there wouldn't be just one
position for the ascendant. It would be more like for human twins, with
differences of minutes, though that does depend on the birth situation;
I've even heard of litter mates born hours apart. My own cat was the
last of 9 kittens to be born and the woman who was there said that it
took the mother cat a whole hour to give birth to her 9 kittens. And 9
newborn kittens or puppies are not easy to tell apart, which why it's
challenging to figure out which one was born exactly when.
Post by astropophageous
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
theoretically at least, as I am not sure the moon and ascendant signs
are not subject to a similar limitation as the sun signs.
In short, for cats look at the moon signs rather than the sun signs.
The advice I was given when doing charts for animals, is to leave out
the outer planets, as animals are not in a position to need to seek out
the greater picture or the spiritual world. No higher knowledge is
needed in their lives or required of them.
That may be right or wrong, I don't know. I wouldn't look too much at the
outer planets either, in any case. What I think is important here is what I
was saying about the sun in animals charts.
Which I think is based on a faulty premise. I say that because the
scenarios you've presented as illustrations for your theory/claim
contradict real life, and astrology shouldn't contradict real life.
--
Keera in Norway ~~ Think big. Shrink to fit.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/
astropophageous
2005-04-27 22:16:49 UTC
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Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
As for animals, take cats as an example.
Cats, AFAIK, are born during two distinct periods each year : once in
May,
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
and once in September (I may be wrong but just consider the general
principle).
So obviously there ARE NO "Aquarius" cats, or "Pisces" or whatever cats.
The
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
Sun in their birth charts will always be whatever it is - Taurus and
Gemini,
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
or Libra and Scorpio I suppose.
I think you'll need to find a better principle. This one is just not
going to work as an illustration. Cats, you see, are pretty much in heat
all year round. Any breeder, vet or owner of an intact queen can tell
you that. Perhaps you were thinking of bitches, which go into heat 1-2
times a year.
My post was written on the assumption - I wrote "AFAIK", which means "as far
as I know" -
Yes, I know that, and what you knew didn't go far. ;-) Which is why I
chimed in.
Post by astropophageous
that cats are born twice a year, once around May and once
around September. If this is wrong and they are born all year round (which I
don't think is correct) then do the thinking and apply the data to a better
example. I wasn't thinking of bitches, but obviously this would be a good
example. You got the general principle anyway, didn't you ?
I'm not sure. To me, it's based on faulty premises. For one thing, the
breeding habits of domesticated small animals (i.e. pets) do not
necessarily mimic the habits of their wild counterparts. Domestic dogs
can breed any time of the year, for example. My friend had a Sagittarian
dog and it truly did express a number of Jupiterian stereotypes.
Post by astropophageous
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
That means that there is much less information in a cat's Sun sign
than there is in a human being's, and this implies that in comparison,
the signs the Moon and the Ascendant are in are much more important -
Getting an ascendant assumes you know when your particular one of the
litter of nine was actually born. ;-)
There would practically be no difference between their respective
ascendants, and the position of the Moon would certainly be the same for all
kittens as well, but there would of course be one position of the ascendant.
It doesn't sound like you've actually been present when puppies or
kittens are being born. They don't all come out the same minute, but one
at a time (which I'm sure their mother is grateful for), and often with
little pauses between each one, so no, there wouldn't be just one
position for the ascendant. It would be more like for human twins, with
differences of minutes, though that does depend on the birth situation;
I've even heard of litter mates born hours apart. My own cat was the
last of 9 kittens to be born and the woman who was there said that it
took the mother cat a whole hour to give birth to her 9 kittens. And 9
newborn kittens or puppies are not easy to tell apart, which why it's
challenging to figure out which one was born exactly when.
Post by astropophageous
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
theoretically at least, as I am not sure the moon and ascendant signs
are not subject to a similar limitation as the sun signs.
In short, for cats look at the moon signs rather than the sun signs.
The advice I was given when doing charts for animals, is to leave out
the outer planets, as animals are not in a position to need to seek out
the greater picture or the spiritual world. No higher knowledge is
needed in their lives or required of them.
That may be right or wrong, I don't know. I wouldn't look too much at the
outer planets either, in any case. What I think is important here is what I
was saying about the sun in animals charts.
Which I think is based on a faulty premise. I say that because the
scenarios you've presented as illustrations for your theory/claim
contradict real life, and astrology shouldn't contradict real life.
And why should I disagree with this ? It should take an imbecile to believe
astrology should contradict real life.

You should have understood the general principle of what I was saying. In
the animal world, their multiplying is always subjected to relatively
stringent laws, whereas we humans are free to multiply whenever we want and
so can have the whole spectrum of astological Sun signs in our horoscopes.
This goes together with the Sun standing for the human individuality or will
as opposed to the Moon which stands for the personality (re Alan Leo).

Animals usually are not free as humans are, they are more bound by
biological and natural laws and cycles. This is reflected in their
horoscopes. Take any species (a few rare exceptions may notwithstanding) :
all animals of that species will breed at the same time during a short
period, or two short periods, of the year. They will all have the same, or
one of a choice of two or so, Sun signs. That's why Sun signs are not
relevant, in my opinion, in birth charts for animals.

Basically, in principle :
one Sun sign = one human being
one Sun sign = one animal species or subspecies or race, so it doesn't say
anything about the individual animal.

astropophageous
Keera Ann Fox
2005-04-28 06:28:05 UTC
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-snip-
Post by astropophageous
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Which I think is based on a faulty premise. I say that because the
scenarios you've presented as illustrations for your theory/claim
contradict real life, and astrology shouldn't contradict real life.
And why should I disagree with this ? It should take an imbecile to believe
astrology should contradict real life.
You should have understood the general principle of what I was saying.
But I didn't, did I.
Post by astropophageous
In the animal world, their multiplying is always subjected to relatively
stringent laws,
I think you need to define which animal world. As I said, domesticated
pets have a different behavior than their wild counterparts.
Post by astropophageous
whereas we humans are free to multiply whenever we want and
so can have the whole spectrum of astological Sun signs in our horoscopes.
Yes, and yet even humans bunch up certain times of the year. There are
fewer Aquarians and Leos than any other sign.
Post by astropophageous
This goes together with the Sun standing for the human individuality or will
as opposed to the Moon which stands for the personality (re Alan Leo).
Animals usually are not free as humans are, they are more bound by
biological and natural laws and cycles. This is reflected in their
all animals of that species will breed at the same time during a short
period, or two short periods, of the year. They will all have the same, or
one of a choice of two or so, Sun signs. That's why Sun signs are not
relevant, in my opinion, in birth charts for animals.
I see.
Post by astropophageous
one Sun sign = one human being
one Sun sign = one animal species or subspecies or race, so it doesn't say
anything about the individual animal.
Me, I'm gonna keep doing Sun signs for pets.
--
Keera in Norway ~~ Think big. Shrink to fit.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/
Ray Murphy
2005-04-28 20:01:21 UTC
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Post by Keera Ann Fox
-snip-
Post by astropophageous
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Which I think is based on a faulty premise. I say that because the
scenarios you've presented as illustrations for your theory/claim
contradict real life, and astrology shouldn't contradict real life.
And why should I disagree with this ? It should take an imbecile to believe
astrology should contradict real life.
You should have understood the general principle of what I was saying.
But I didn't, did I.
Post by astropophageous
In the animal world, their multiplying is always subjected to relatively
stringent laws,
I think you need to define which animal world. As I said, domesticated
pets have a different behavior than their wild counterparts.
Post by astropophageous
whereas we humans are free to multiply whenever we want and
so can have the whole spectrum of astological Sun signs in our horoscopes.
Yes, and yet even humans bunch up certain times of the year. There are
fewer Aquarians and Leos than any other sign.
RM: We've discussed the distribution of Sun signs extensively on aamod
before, and found that there is a fairly smooth and predictable
variation which is mostly based on the number of hours the Sun is in
each Sun sign.

One contributor supplied rough data and graphs for all American births
for about a decade if I remember correctly, and there is a lot of
other data available from various countries which shows distinct
variations, but overall I think there is no universal variation at
all, apart from that mentioned above.

There are notable variations in the number of births in the U.S. near
some public holidays, but that would have to be associated with the
postponement of births because Nature doesn't fit in with public
holidays -- not even the 4th of July.

Perhaps a few aamodders would like to re-visit this?

[.....]
Post by Keera Ann Fox
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Ray
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astropophageous
2005-04-29 18:14:49 UTC
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Post by Blahhh
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
whereas we humans are free to multiply whenever we want and
so can have the whole spectrum of astological Sun signs in our horoscopes.
Yes, and yet even humans bunch up certain times of the year. There are
fewer Aquarians and Leos than any other sign.
RM: We've discussed the distribution of Sun signs extensively on aamod
before, and found that there is a fairly smooth and predictable
variation which is mostly based on the number of hours the Sun is in
each Sun sign.
One contributor supplied rough data and graphs for all American births
for about a decade if I remember correctly, and there is a lot of
other data available from various countries which shows distinct
variations, but overall I think there is no universal variation at
all, apart from that mentioned above.
Of course not. One of the most basic principles of astrology is that the Sun
is wandering against a background of twelve zodiacal signs, which illustrate
the freedom and diversity of humanity.And this the general principle I was
trying to illustrate in my post which Keera Ann Fox chooses to ignore.
Whether a few more humans are born in one sign than in another is not
important.

astropophageous
astropophageous
2005-05-02 18:33:32 UTC
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Written a few days ago but not sent. Amended today and counting on the
moderator to append it to the right place in the thread... :)
Post by Keera Ann Fox
-snip-
Post by astropophageous
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Which I think is based on a faulty premise. I say that because the
scenarios you've presented as illustrations for your theory/claim
contradict real life, and astrology shouldn't contradict real life.
And why should I disagree with this ? It should take an imbecile to believe
astrology should contradict real life.
You should have understood the general principle of what I was saying.
But I didn't, did I.
Post by astropophageous
In the animal world, their multiplying is always subjected to relatively
stringent laws,
I think you need to define which animal world. As I said, domesticated
pets have a different behavior than their wild counterparts.
Post by astropophageous
whereas we humans are free to multiply whenever we want and
so can have the whole spectrum of astological Sun signs in our horoscopes.
Yes, and yet even humans bunch up certain times of the year. There are
fewer Aquarians and Leos than any other sign.
Post by astropophageous
This goes together with the Sun standing for the human individuality or will
as opposed to the Moon which stands for the personality (re Alan Leo).
Animals usually are not free as humans are, they are more bound by
biological and natural laws and cycles. This is reflected in their
all animals of that species will breed at the same time during a short
period, or two short periods, of the year. They will all have the same, or
one of a choice of two or so, Sun signs. That's why Sun signs are not
relevant, in my opinion, in birth charts for animals.
I see.
I am glad.
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
one Sun sign = one human being
one Sun sign = one animal species or subspecies or race, so it doesn't say
anything about the individual animal.
Me, I'm gonna keep doing Sun signs for pets.
I am going to all this length of explaining what I am talking about and
that's all you have to say ? You are free to do as you wish of course, but I
am not sure you actually did understand what I was talking abouit - sorry.

astropophageous
Keera Ann Fox
2005-05-02 19:47:37 UTC
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Post by astropophageous
Written a few days ago but not sent. Amended today and counting on the
moderator to append it to the right place in the thread... :)
Post by Keera Ann Fox
Post by astropophageous
one Sun sign = one human being
one Sun sign = one animal species or subspecies or race, so it doesn't
say anything about the individual animal.
Me, I'm gonna keep doing Sun signs for pets.
I am going to all this length of explaining what I am talking about and
that's all you have to say ?
That wasn't all I said, but since that's what you reacted to:

I'm not convinced of your theory because you haven't given me any
evidence to show that your method would actually work in or reflect real
life. So far, all your examples about animal behavior have been mistaken
with regard to actual behavior and examples have been given that
contradict your beliefs.

I have asked you to clarify, but I suspect you can't because your
knowledge about animal behavior is too limited. You have been asked
about that and responded with "My post was written on the assumption - I
wrote "AFAIK", which means "as far as I know", which makes me wonder
what you are really basing your astrological theory on.

Even when I gave you accurate information about certain animal behavior,
you chose to ignore it and used other examples that also weren't very
accurate in regards to animal behavior. I simply can't see your
astrological system working for pets, but you haven't addressed if you
mean domesticated or wild animals (you've been asked about that, too).
Post by astropophageous
You are free to do as you wish of course, but I
am not sure you actually did understand what I was talking abouit - sorry.
Then either you explain it again or just accept that sometimes that
happens: Someone doesn't understand you, or they do, and still don't
agree.
--
Keera in Norway ~~ Think big. Shrink to fit.
http://home.online.no/~kafox/
Dan Barkye
2005-05-11 19:55:27 UTC
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Post by astropophageous
Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
You can make a birthchart for anything which comes into existence at a
particular moment in time, that should be obvious. The Titanic has its birth
chart, so have countries, cities, and buildings. Whether you believe in them
or not it another matter.
As for animals, take cats as an example.
Cats, AFAIK, are born during two distinct periods each year : once in May,
and once in September (I may be wrong but just consider the general
principle).
So obviously there ARE NO "Aquarius" cats, or "Pisces" or whatever cats. The
Sun in their birth charts will always be whatever it is - Taurus and Gemini,
or Libra and Scorpio I suppose.
The fact that the Sun can only be in a few of the zodiacal signs means that
we can't assign the same meaning to Sun signs in cats as we do to in human
beings which are born all year round. All cats are just one of the following
: Taurus, Gemini, Libra, Scorpio (assuming that my info about their birth
periods is correct).
That means that there is much less information in a cat's Sun sign than
there is in a human being's, and this implies that in comparison, the signs
the Moon and the Ascendant are in are much more important -
theoretically at
least, as I am not sure the moon and ascendant signs are not subject to a
similar limitation as the sun signs.
In short, for cats look at the moon signs rather than the sun signs.
astropophageous
-- Int'ing what you say. It seems that you're correct, at least in my
cats case: my two cats were born in May and Oct (vs Sept in your info; I
realize you are not sure, but in principle it's correct), respectively.

The ?? May is a lazy, timid and even rather stupid at times, male. The
26 Oct is a hectic, nosy, curious, very intelligent, territory fanatic
(mercy on any fly, lizard, cockroach, etc, in her radius of living),
female.

Dan

kjelleman
2005-04-28 17:25:16 UTC
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Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
I just found (and bought) "Your Felines' Star Signs -- ASTROLOGY FOR
CATS" (back cover says it's the "sequel to the bestselling Yoga For
Cats") by Traudl & Walter Reiner in a used books store. A nice gift
book to an astrology-interested cat owner I'd say. Funny pictures too.

http://www.opengroup.com/pdbooks/057/0575053488.shtml
astropophageous
2005-04-29 18:05:10 UTC
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Post by kjelleman
Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
I just found (and bought) "Your Felines' Star Signs -- ASTROLOGY FOR
CATS" (back cover says it's the "sequel to the bestselling Yoga For
Cats") by Traudl & Walter Reiner in a used books store. A nice gift
book to an astrology-interested cat owner I'd say. Funny pictures too.
http://www.opengroup.com/pdbooks/057/0575053488.shtml
So, does it say anything about what time of the year cats are born, in the
end ?

astropophageous
Blahhh
2005-05-03 02:00:11 UTC
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Thanks everyone, for all your interesting comments and book
recommendations. :-)


I decided to look up cat reproduction rates. I found this article,
about the Devon Rex breed of domesticated cats:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:EO-3eppZ8FgJ:www.catvet.homestead.com/Devon_Rex_Project_Final_Report.rtf+cat+reproduction+statistics&hl=en
Effect of Season
In this study, there was an influence of season on the distribution of
the 193 litters of Devon Rex born in the northern hemisphere
catteries. Most litters were born between March and September (67%),
a time of long day length, and the fewest litters were born from
October to February (33%), a time of short day length.
So, it does look like with this type of cat there is an unequal
distribution of sun signs.

In the RTF version of the file,
http://www.catvet.homestead.com/Devon_Rex_Project_Final_Report.rtf ,
there's a graph showing the number of litters born by month. To
make it easier for anyone interested to see this graph, I uploaded
a screenshot of it to my Photobucket:

Loading Image...

So - it looks like cats of that particular breed are born all year
round, but with some seasonal variation.


This page mentions:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Mus9xVgstaUJ:familyfun.go.com/parenting/learn/activities/expert/petvetcatgestation/+cat+gestation+period&hl=en
Cats generally have pregnancies lasting from 58 to 65 days. They can
become pregnant at as early as six months of age and go into heat
twice a year, in the spring and the fall.
This page discusses wildcats (Felis silvestris):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/animals/pets/cats.shtml
Wildcats mate in February and March and after a gestation period of
63-65 days, females give birth to 2-6 young.
This page discusses African wild cats (Felis lybica):

http://www.krugerpark.co.za/Kruger_National_Park_Private_Concession_Lodges-travel/africa_african_wild_cat.html
Mating occurs between July and January, with a gestation period of
65 days. Young are born between September and March. Average litter
size is three.
So, it looks like there are some cat species which have a diminished
range of sun signs.

To engage in some idle speculation... I think even if there isn't an
even distribution of sun signs, the sun signs might still apply just
as well (provided astrology works at all, and works for animals as
well).

There's a pretty uneven distribution of Pluto signs among humans
(no one living with Pluto in Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces, Aries, and
maybe Taurus), yet I think most astrologers take Pluto signs into
account(?)

My feeling is that, just because a lot of people/other entities share
a chart factor in common (like a Pluto sign, or Neptune sextile Pluto)
doesn't necessarily mean it applies any less to any of them.

Also, I think some variation could be provided to the meanings of
various very common chart factors by the fact that even if two people
(or other entities) have the same sun sign (or whatever), they might
have that planet's dispositor in a different sign entirely.

Thus, even if all Felis silvestri tend to be born from April to
June and thus only can be Aries, Taurus or Gemini - maybe it's not
quite so limited as it appears on the surface if you only look at
the sun sign.

All those Aries wildcats could have their sun's ruler, Mars, in any
sign of the zodiac. The Taurus wildcats could have Venus from Pisces
to Cancer (if I'm not mistaken), while the Gemini wildcats could have
Mercury from Taurus to Cancer.

It's definitely not as broad a range of possible chart factors as
humans have, but, maybe it works for them. :-) In turn, all these
dispositors could be themselves ruled by planets in other signs...

I don't know if I'm right in thinking this, but I tend to look at the
dispositors of planets as being quite important in determining their
overall meaning. If I see two people with sun in Cancer, I can't
bring myself to assume they're necessarily supposed to have much of
anything in common until at least I've compared their moon signs, and
hopefully many other chart factors.

I also think that possibly planets in their own signs of dominion
might be the most likely of any planets in a chart to play out in a
"textbook" fashion in any given chart, since they're not disposited
by anything else. (But even then, much variation is provided by
aspects, house placement, etc.)

OK, that's all I have to say for now (at least in this thread).
Inspiration rarely strikes me, so pardon me if I'm very quiet... :-)

Blahhh

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h***@_________.com
2005-05-06 10:29:35 UTC
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Post by kjelleman
Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
I just found (and bought) "Your Felines' Star Signs -- ASTROLOGY FOR
CATS" (back cover says it's the "sequel to the bestselling Yoga For
Cats") by Traudl & Walter Reiner in a used books store. A nice gift
book to an astrology-interested cat owner I'd say. Funny pictures too.
http://www.opengroup.com/pdbooks/057/0575053488.shtml
Just to mention my personal experience with animals, I have several
horses. I dont know the birthdates for several of them, but the ones
I do know are very accurate. This just based on the sun sign. One,
and Aries mare is very old, and she was old when I got her, but she is
very Aries like, bold, aggressive, headstrong, and dominent. I also
have two Cancers. One a stallion, the other a gelding. Both have
eyes as blue as the ocean, both are very sensitive and gentle. The
stallion in particular is very moody and hides in the corner when
other horses pick on him. I have to go over and make him feel better.
And, then there is the Cancer - Leo (cusp) stallion. The Leo is more
dominant, but I do see the Cancer when he comes to me for attention.
Otherwise, he's always yelling his head off to be noticed by the
mares. He's definately a show off, and knows he's pretty, and wants
the whole world to know too. Then there is a Cancer mare. She is
very moody, and if she is not in a good mood, she is near impossible
to ride. She just refuses to move. Those are the only ones I know
for sure, but one other is very likely a Gemini, based on the age I
was told she was when I bought her. She can be extremely funny and
flirtacious with me, and with other horses. Yet, the next day, or
even hours later she acts like I am going to bite her and runs away
for no reason. However, she was abused and beaten by her last owner so
that plays a part too. There is one other, a gelding, and again, based
on the age I was told he was, he should be a Taurus. He is very
pretty, and very neat for a horse. He is the most stubborn horse I
have ever known. If I dont put his hay in the same place every day,
he gets upset.

One thing about horses, and many animals, they are mostly all born in
the spring and summer. So, finding horses born in November thru March
are rare in this part of the world. I've always wondered what an
Aquarius horse would be like,
I. R. Heller
2005-05-06 18:30:08 UTC
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I.R.H.:
Hello Horseguy:
Thank you so much for sharing your observations with your horses.
Hope this opens the minds and the eyes of others within and outside of our
group, in order to pursue this study-line for a better understanding our
fellow living beings.
This might also help cutting down on the abuse of animals, as it will show
that some animal-"personalities" possibly don´t make a good match with our
own, due to *their* charts. Hopefully we all can then accept those
differences and stop being so frustrated and impatient (the main reason for
abuse).
Keep up this study :-)

Be well
I. R. Heller
Post by h***@_________.com
Post by kjelleman
Post by Blahhh
Just curious. Many animals seem to have distinct personalities,
just as humans do. Would you say astrology applies to animals?
I just found (and bought) "Your Felines' Star Signs -- ASTROLOGY FOR
CATS" (back cover says it's the "sequel to the bestselling Yoga For
Cats") by Traudl & Walter Reiner in a used books store. A nice gift
book to an astrology-interested cat owner I'd say. Funny pictures too.
http://www.opengroup.com/pdbooks/057/0575053488.shtml
Just to mention my personal experience with animals, I have several
horses. I dont know the birthdates for several of them, but the ones
I do know are very accurate. This just based on the sun sign. One,
and Aries mare is very old, and she was old when I got her, but she is
very Aries like, bold, aggressive, headstrong, and dominent. I also
have two Cancers. One a stallion, the other a gelding. Both have
eyes as blue as the ocean, both are very sensitive and gentle. The
stallion in particular is very moody and hides in the corner when
other horses pick on him. I have to go over and make him feel better.
And, then there is the Cancer - Leo (cusp) stallion. The Leo is more
dominant, but I do see the Cancer when he comes to me for attention.
Otherwise, he's always yelling his head off to be noticed by the
mares. He's definately a show off, and knows he's pretty, and wants
the whole world to know too. Then there is a Cancer mare. She is
very moody, and if she is not in a good mood, she is near impossible
to ride. She just refuses to move. Those are the only ones I know
for sure, but one other is very likely a Gemini, based on the age I
was told she was when I bought her. She can be extremely funny and
flirtacious with me, and with other horses. Yet, the next day, or
even hours later she acts like I am going to bite her and runs away
for no reason. However, she was abused and beaten by her last owner so
that plays a part too. There is one other, a gelding, and again, based
on the age I was told he was, he should be a Taurus. He is very
pretty, and very neat for a horse. He is the most stubborn horse I
have ever known. If I dont put his hay in the same place every day,
he gets upset.
One thing about horses, and many animals, they are mostly all born in
the spring and summer. So, finding horses born in November thru March
are rare in this part of the world. I've always wondered what an
Aquarius horse would be like,
Blahhh
2005-05-08 03:10:05 UTC
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***@_________.com wrote:

[...]
Post by h***@_________.com
Just to mention my personal experience with animals, I have several
horses. I dont know the birthdates for several of them, but the ones
I do know are very accurate. This just based on the sun sign. One,
and Aries mare is very old, and she was old when I got her, but she is
very Aries like, bold, aggressive, headstrong, and dominent. I also
have two Cancers. One a stallion, the other a gelding. Both have
eyes as blue as the ocean, both are very sensitive and gentle. The
stallion in particular is very moody and hides in the corner when
other horses pick on him. I have to go over and make him feel
better.
Post by h***@_________.com
And, then there is the Cancer - Leo (cusp) stallion. The Leo is more
dominant, but I do see the Cancer when he comes to me for attention.
Otherwise, he's always yelling his head off to be noticed by the
mares. He's definately a show off, and knows he's pretty, and wants
the whole world to know too. Then there is a Cancer mare. She is
very moody, and if she is not in a good mood, she is near impossible
to ride. She just refuses to move. Those are the only ones I know
for sure, but one other is very likely a Gemini, based on the age I
was told she was when I bought her. She can be extremely funny and
flirtacious with me, and with other horses. Yet, the next day, or
even hours later she acts like I am going to bite her and runs away
for no reason. However, she was abused and beaten by her last owner so
that plays a part too. There is one other, a gelding, and again, based
on the age I was told he was, he should be a Taurus. He is very
pretty, and very neat for a horse. He is the most stubborn horse I
have ever known. If I dont put his hay in the same place every day,
he gets upset.
One thing about horses, and many animals, they are mostly all born in
the spring and summer. So, finding horses born in November thru March
are rare in this part of the world. I've always wondered what an
Aquarius horse would be like,
Very interesting - thanks for sharing. :-)

One day maybe I'll get around to talking about the dogs I've known
(which are the only animals I've had that I know their exact
birthdates).

Blahhh
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