Post by astrochikHi folks,
First time posting. Interesting topic.
I've been working with clients since 1991 and am an astrologer first
and a gestalt therapist second. *grin*
My two cents, for your consideration.
The question I ask when we sit down is always the same, "What do you
hope to get out of our time together?" It is a starting place.
What happens between the two of us is driven by that first question and the
subsequent exploration of the answer to that question.
gather up the story lines from the chart,.. Obviously with a bit of
practice you can tell the story to very accurately parallel their actual
life circumstances,. Enough to start drawing subconscious forces out the
client,.. You are effectively inducing them, at first i never realised
this myself,..
I don't like to get involved as such,. So i don't touch nor empathise
any longer, hard not to actually engage, but very necessary i assume,..
Post by astrochikIt is a person-to-person experience and we're peeling layers as
gently, as provocatively, as playfully as possible.
at first i thought my answere was not in accord with this/yours,. but
yes i see why you say it the way you do,. for you do provcatively bring
out the forces,. playfully creating the settings for them to co habit,..
Penetration of
Post by astrochikthe chart should feel like pleasure, not pain (for either of us!)
regardless,. one has a session duration and certain goals need to be meet,..
entertaining complexes is a complex endeavour,.. i try to be non
supportive really,.. i mean, for what can you truly support,.. there is
always a story,. i live in south afrca, we still have rather
impoverished native folk in surrounding valley areas,.. i have consulted
in various rural 'help scheme' ventures and the same accountant taking
handouts is always there,. the staff who think the donated food for the
mothers and children is more rightly for them and their cronies,..
SO i would love to tell the old lady who runs the venture a good story,
but the story is always the same,.. sad, but i think the world is the
pain and well you just have to tell the soldier as if he awaken for a
moment only,. you tell him the song,. and back he goes in to the
shock,.. hopefully your chord will have hit the inner keys and the form
will start to crack,.. allowing him to see himself and walk from his
self made cage,..
and
Post by astrochikI have become acutely aware that the astrological stuff gives
permission to talk about the deepest core of that person.
yes, this is where we hook further into ericksonian hypnosis concepts,..
you can talk deep inside and rouse up their forces for you are telling
no lies to that person as far as their critical factors are concerned,..
search "trance abuse",. Astrology is one hell of a tool if you know your
stuff,..
Symbolic language is very different to regular talk,..
when you speak continually ,. well as much as possible in analogy,..
the shadow of the lightening struck tower becomes that much more
resonant,..
The more paragraphic scenes you can impress the client with,.. rouse
that universal revoirie in them,..
whether he be the devil or the saint,.. you are to scare him with your
ambivalent tranceing through his apparently visible personality,.. i
feel that helps to jar the cleint from being so in love with the image
of themself,..
but basically yea,. appreciate where you actually are at that point of
the session and what is available in your toolbox,..
Post by astrochikWhy are they there?
That drives the process.
I had a difficult client grappling with her engagement. She told me,
flat out, that she was angry that he was not the exciting man she had
intense erotic play with anymore. That she was toying with simply
bedding her ex-love and (quote/unquote) she "...didn't give a good
goddamn what the consequences would be..."
i mean at this point,. who is she other than a collective of ideas,.
expressing their aggression,. you are pulling up forces from people,..
subconscious archetypal forces as if pressing up against celephane,..
you can see by her chart what force patterns she would respond to,..
pluck at the strings of the instrument,... but don't buy into it,.
resolve it,.. find its ques and their order,..
NOt a chance,. half the clients are on pharmaceutical chemical
enhancers,.. NOt a chance am i going to engage with subconscious forces
and take them seriously,. i call them up through the porthole of the
person and play for them of some working scenarios,..
if we get the intricacies of their picture right,. we can find a decent
key,.. If we find a decent key,. 'at that stage' of the session,... then
that is actually hy[pnticvally emplanted and the castle should start to
crack in the next few months,..,. i try to get folks to see themselves
in the silhouette of gods so they can't carry on playing the soap opera
out,.. they have caught themselves in the act, in the shadow cast by
their ghosts even,.. i mean,. no one wants to do it to themselves,..
living in a closet of ghosts, getting rattled by pots and pans all
day,.. playing out classic signal reception patterns,.. every time,.. i
mean,. you can show a person how essentially backward they are for
supporting their own demise 100% of the way,..
Post by astrochikFair enough.
Fair enough is what I said to her and I told her that she scared me
half to death and I wondered if she'd scared her fiance, too? I asked
her if it was possible that she was more bold, more direct, more like
a "berserker" than the "beloved" to her fiance. She sat back in the
chair with the most bemused look on her face and said she'd never
thought of it that way before.
yes,. if you can play the energy to bring about stories of the beserker
etc where she will start to see her silhouette, then make the connection
herself and gulp,. chipper down without you having to give her the
credit of "you scared me",.. ..issue in your chart marrying there?
Post by astrochikLate degree Taurus Sun separating from Saturn in Pisces (by minutes)
as well as Mars in Taurus. Venus in Aries making no aspects. Jupiter
ruled chart.
I like to experience my reaction to the person. Do I want to lean
in? Does she make me hold my breath? Where are the two of us? Is
there a connection?
It was a risk to say what I did to her. She DID scare me half to
death. All that anger. All that heat. All that "fark u" coming out
of one petite forty something with a history of sexually acting out.
ha ha ha ,. too funny,.. a fresh Springy Venus,..
Post by astrochikIt isn't just The Astrologer Analyzing the Chart.
i think essentially it is,. as hypnotist/ consultant,.. You have the
symbolic signature of the candidate,. you can press the keys and you
should be in,. if you press them correctly it works,. if you don't it
doesn't
It's two people
Post by astrochiksitting down and having an experience that could be powerful,
i think we are talking of the same thing,. just hooking into different
aspects of it,.. if you're thinking what im thinking ,then bang on,...
im really into the mechanics of all this, having seen these keys as such
is like having a tool kit to the human being,.. fabulous work!
Post by astrochikmeaningful, and life changing. Or not.
Looking forward to your considered response.
Judith