Do astrologers predict exact date of birth?

[Eric]

This is my first post to this discussion group. I am posting hoping to
find an informed opinion on the plausibility of the following
statement.

A Christian clergyman has asserted that at a public fair or carnival
many years ago, he met an astrologer who, upon a first encounter
without any previous contact, accurately told him his exact date of
birth (month, date, year) and hour of birth.

I am skeptical of this claim, and it doesn't sound credible or
plausible to me. I am writing to ask whether this clergyman's account
is plausible, possible, or completely impossible. Do you know of any
especially gifted astrologers or special circumstances where this type
of knowledge might be possible? Thanks in advance for your courteous
response.

[John Roth]

Post by Eric
This is my first post to this discussion group. I am posting hoping to
find an informed opinion on the plausibility of the following
statement.
A Christian clergyman has asserted that at a public fair or carnival
many years ago, he met an astrologer who, upon a first encounter
without any previous contact, accurately told him his exact date of
birth (month, date, year) and hour of birth.
I am skeptical of this claim, and it doesn't sound credible or
plausible to me. I am writing to ask whether this clergyman's account
is plausible, possible, or completely impossible. Do you know of any
especially gifted astrologers or special circumstances where this type
of knowledge might be possible? Thanks in advance for your courteous
response.

Too little information. If he was using astrology, the technique is
called rectification,
and it usually requires starting out fairly closely (date, place, time
within a few
hours). It also requires collecting quite a bit of historical
information, likewise
with dates, etc.

Otherwise he was either psychic (some psychics can do that -
sometimes)
or he had some kind of a setup.

I remember being dragged to a big todo with a guy named Popov some
years back. He was wowing the audience by knowing the people's names,
etc. Turns out his wife was reading them to him over a wireless from
information the deacons had collected.

John Roth

[Totila]

Post by Eric
This is my first post to this discussion group. I am posting hoping to
find an informed opinion on the plausibility of the following
statement.
A Christian clergyman has asserted that at a public fair or carnival
many years ago, he met an astrologer who, upon a first encounter
without any previous contact, accurately told him his exact date of
birth (month, date, year) and hour of birth.
I am skeptical of this claim, and it doesn't sound credible or
plausible to me. I am writing to ask whether this clergyman's account
is plausible, possible, or completely impossible. Do you know of any
especially gifted astrologers or special circumstances where this type
of knowledge might be possible? Thanks in advance for your courteous
response.

Hi
I read a similar story by Ciro Discepolo (a famous italian astrologer)
about Peter Van Wood (a dutch astrologer). Discepolo wrote that
he witnessed Van Wood tell the exact day of birth of some people
met for the first time. Discepolo himself candidly admits he is unable
to replicate the feat

I wonder if such a skill is only due to an extensive astrological
experience or if it is rather based on some kind of ESP ability...

Renzo
(Italy)

[Silveen]

Post by Totila

Post by Eric
This is my first post to this discussion group. I am posting hoping to
find an informed opinion on the plausibility of the following
statement.
A Christian clergyman has asserted that at a public fair or carnival
many years ago, he met an astrologer who, upon a first encounter
without any previous contact, accurately told him his exact date of
birth (month, date, year) and hour of birth.
I am skeptical of this claim, and it doesn't sound credible or
plausible to me. I am writing to ask whether this clergyman's account
is plausible, possible, or completely impossible. Do you know of any
especially gifted astrologers or special circumstances where this type
of knowledge might be possible? Thanks in advance for your courteous
response.

Hi
I read a similar story by Ciro Discepolo (a famous italian astrologer)
about Peter Van Wood (a dutch astrologer). Discepolo wrote that
he witnessed Van Wood tell the exact day of birth of some people
met for the first time. Discepolo himself candidly admits he is unable
to replicate the feat.

I wonder if such a skill is only due to an extensive astrological

Post by Totila
experience or if it is rather based on some kind of ESP ability...
Renzo
(Italy)

Hello All:
First a HAPPY HOLLIDAY to all. Enjoy and relax.

Re: the "predicting" of the birth date, including the hour is in
general due to one or more natural "gifts".

ONE is the absolute memory of anything we have learned as
astrologers; i.e. from professional experience just "knowing"
that person who has say Aries rising (depending on the HOUR
on that birth-date), or Sun and/or Moon in a certain sign, or a
certain house will act, appear, re-act a certain way; I know it
can be done, but to be talking about it, instantly is more than,
or even better than "common".
I have always admired such memory. -

TWO is that there are people with more than just normal
"intuition" to actually feel the type of person they have in front
of them.
Yes, I would also call them psychics. To be a psychic can be
a gift, but it can also be, or become a curse, when you are
open to _all_ the vibrations of your surroundings. Then you
need to learn to blend those influences out. -

All in all, I do believe the story, told by the clergyman. He met
one of these rare and gifted people who also happened to be
an astrologer. Would be interesting to find out how he chose
this profession. -

RE: CIRO DISCEPOLO: has anyone read his book on
"Transits and Solar Returns" - c 2007 / pp 558
its "heavy" at times, but well researched and he absolutely
tells it like it is. Not everyone likes to hear the truth when it is not
that "nice" all the times. Beginners may feel it as "doomsday talk".
So, it is a book for the _professional_ (or advanced) astrologer.
More info is available through: www.cirodiscepolo.it

BTW: I was told that some, if not most of his books are available
in several languages.

There is also another, newer book, just received:
"Lunar Returns and Earth Returns" - c 2009 / pp 302

Enjoy reading and learning.

So much for now.
Take care and
be well,
IRH/Silveen

[Knows ALL]

If what you are saying actually took place (doubtful) then the
"magician" (as opposed to astrologer) got a hold of the man's wallet and
read his date of birth from his diver's license. :-)

I doubt that this ever happened.

Real Astrologers are not in the business of being stage magicians.

Regards,

Tony

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Post by Eric
This is my first post to this discussion group. I am posting hoping to
find an informed opinion on the plausibility of the following
statement.
A Christian clergyman has asserted that at a public fair or carnival
many years ago, he met an astrologer who, upon a first encounter
without any previous contact, accurately told him his exact date of
birth (month, date, year) and hour of birth.
I am skeptical of this claim, and it doesn't sound credible or
plausible to me. I am writing to ask whether this clergyman's account
is plausible, possible, or completely impossible. Do you know of any
especially gifted astrologers or special circumstances where this type
of knowledge might be possible? Thanks in advance for your courteous
response.

[Edmond H. Wollmann]

Post by Eric
This is my first post to this discussion group. I am posting hoping to
find an informed opinion on the plausibility of the following
statement.
A Christian clergyman has asserted that at a public fair or carnival
many years ago, he met an astrologer who, upon a first encounter
without any previous contact, accurately told him his exact date of
birth (month, date, year) and hour of birth.
I am skeptical of this claim, and it doesn't sound credible or
plausible to me. I am writing to ask whether this clergyman's account
is plausible, possible, or completely impossible. Do you know of any
especially gifted astrologers or special circumstances where this type
of knowledge might be possible? Thanks in advance for your courteous
response.

I suppose if they are extremely psychic or have some connection to
that idea they could immediately know. Most of us are more mundane
than that and have to work on it by watching events etc. and
correcting the times and dates of persons to make them more accurate
from some basic knowledge we have of the birthdata. In example, I have
corrected Cheryl Merrill's chart to a great degree by her loses in
court and things she has said about her parents etc.. It takes a lot
of work but can be done. When you run solar arcs or other
progressions, it becomes critical because the dates of timing can be
off by weeks is the chart is moved hours.
So I would say it is possible to find out, but like you am skeptical
of persons being able to instantaneously do so.

HTH

Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
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