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Todd Carnes
2009-11-19 23:38:09 UTC
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I finally got my download page working again. The following ebooks are
currently available for download from http://carnesoft.net ...


1558 - Dariot, Claude - A Briefe and Most Easie Introduction to the
Stars
1644 - Lilly, William - Supernaturall Sights and Apparitions
1653 - Ramesey, William - Astrology Restored
1656 - Andrews, William - The Astrological Physician
1657 - Gadbury, John - Nauticum Astrologicum
1658 - Gadbury, John - Doctrine of Nativities and Horary Questions
1659 - Lilly,William - Christian Astrology
1662 - Gadbury, John - A Collection of Nativities
1662 - Partridge, John - Mikropanastron (Vade Mecum)
1671 - Thrasher, William - Jubar Astrologicum
1676 - Coley, Henry - Key to the Whole Art of Astrology
1677 - Saunders, Richard - The Astrological Judgment and Practice of
Physick
1679 - Middleton, John - Practical Astrology
1680 - Gadbury, John - The Nativity of Lewis the Fourteenth, King of
France
1682 - Blagrave, Joseph - Introduction to Astrology
1687 - Kirby, Richard - The Marrow of Astrology
1693 - Partridge, John - Opus Reformatum
1694 - Eland, William - A Tutor to Astrology
1697 - Partridge, John - Defectio Geniturarum

Abu Mashar - Flores Astrologiae
Adams, Evangeline - Astrology Your Place Among the Stars (1930)
Aristotle - Metaphysics
Aristotle - On Dreams
Bonatus, Guido - Anima Astrologiae
Carnes, Todd - Rectifying a Chart with the Prenatal Epoch
Gadbury, John - The Doctrine of Horary Questions
Griffin, Anthony - On Theft
Hermes Trismegistus - Centiloquium
Ibn Ezra, Abraham - 120 Aphorisms for Astrologers
Kepler, Johannes - Concerning ... Astrology
Lilly, William - Autobiography
Lilly, William - Choice Aphorisms
Lilly, William - Observations
Lilly, William - The Nature of the Planets
Lucretius - De Rerum Natura (Of the Nature of Things)
Ptolemy, Claudius - Tetrabiblos (Robbins, 1940)
Raphael's Ephemeris - 1800 through 1824
Sepharial - Primary Directions Made Easy
Sibly, Ebenezar - New Complete Illustration

All files are zipped Adobe Acrobat files unless otherwise indicated.
Kjell
2009-11-20 09:55:35 UTC
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This is so great, an absolutely wonderful resource.

Someone should give you a medal! :-)

/K
Post by Todd Carnes
I finally got my download page working again. The following ebooks are
currently available for download fromhttp://carnesoft.net...
1558 - Dariot, Claude - A Briefe and Most Easie Introduction to the
Stars
1644 - Lilly, William - Supernaturall Sights and Apparitions
1653 - Ramesey, William - Astrology Restored
1656 - Andrews, William - The Astrological Physician
1657 - Gadbury, John - Nauticum Astrologicum
1658 - Gadbury, John - Doctrine of Nativities and Horary Questions
1659 - Lilly,William - Christian Astrology
1662 - Gadbury, John - A Collection of Nativities
1662 - Partridge, John - Mikropanastron (Vade Mecum)
1671 - Thrasher, William - Jubar Astrologicum
1676 - Coley, Henry - Key to the Whole Art of Astrology
1677 - Saunders, Richard - The Astrological Judgment and Practice of
Physick
1679 - Middleton, John - Practical Astrology
1680 - Gadbury, John - The Nativity of Lewis the Fourteenth, King of
France
1682 - Blagrave, Joseph - Introduction to Astrology
1687 - Kirby, Richard - The Marrow of Astrology
1693 - Partridge, John - Opus Reformatum
1694 - Eland, William - A Tutor to Astrology
1697 - Partridge, John - Defectio Geniturarum
Abu Mashar - Flores Astrologiae
Adams, Evangeline - Astrology Your Place Among the Stars (1930)
Aristotle - Metaphysics
Aristotle - On Dreams
Bonatus, Guido - Anima Astrologiae
Carnes, Todd - Rectifying a Chart with the Prenatal Epoch
Gadbury, John - The Doctrine of Horary Questions
Griffin, Anthony - On Theft
Hermes Trismegistus - Centiloquium
Ibn Ezra, Abraham - 120 Aphorisms for Astrologers
Kepler, Johannes - Concerning ... Astrology
Lilly, William - Autobiography
Lilly, William - Choice Aphorisms
Lilly, William - Observations
Lilly, William - The Nature of the Planets
Lucretius - De Rerum Natura (Of the Nature of Things)
Ptolemy, Claudius - Tetrabiblos (Robbins, 1940)
Raphael's Ephemeris - 1800 through 1824
Sepharial - Primary Directions Made Easy
Sibly, Ebenezar - New Complete Illustration
All files are zipped Adobe Acrobat files unless otherwise indicated.
A B
2009-11-20 18:56:10 UTC
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Wow! Not just a book you can't usually get, but thirty-nine books you can't
usually get!
Well done Todd.
A. B.
Hermes
2009-11-21 14:17:47 UTC
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Todd Carnes:
: I finally got my download page working again. The following ebooks
are
: currently available for download from http://carnesoft.net ...

Good to hear that they are back, there are some real
jewels in there :)

Thanks also for the link to freeconsiderations.com,
I also find the free book by Ken Gillman there quite
interesting, at least I find it a bit sad that, as it
says there, "The content of this book is apparently
too distant from the popular mainstream for commercial
publishers to accept". Well, maybe not so far in the
future commercial publishers might be _begging_ for
anyone to use their services for publishing instead
of just doing it by themselves ;)

(Quite concretely: Maybe electronic books could be
sold or (given away for free) by any writer in the
near future via Apple's iTunes store (or similar ones)
- rumors are thickening that Apple is readying a
device somewhat bigger than an iPhone, an "iTablet"
or so, sometime in 2010, which would likely as maybe
its "killer application" target to replace many
paper publications - books, journals, newspapers.)

)o+
Todd Carnes
2009-11-21 16:02:51 UTC
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Post by Hermes
(Quite concretely: Maybe electronic books could be
sold or (given away for free) by any writer in the
near future via Apple's iTunes store (or similar ones)
- rumors are thickening that Apple is readying a
device somewhat bigger than an iPhone, an "iTablet"
or so, sometime in 2010, which would likely as maybe
its "killer application" target to replace many
paper publications - books, journals, newspapers.)
)o+
Have you ever checked out Lulu.com?

Todd
Hermes
2009-11-21 19:04:15 UTC
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Todd Carnes wrote:
: Have you ever checked out Lulu.com?

OK, I see, goes already almost all the way... :)

I think I have associated lulu.com so far mostly with
Klaudio Zic, who posts regularly to alt.astrology about
an astrology related directly to constellations, and
has some books at lulu.com, which are arguably a bit
"extraordinary", http://lulu.com/astrology. (According
to "whois" information, the domain lulu.com has been
registered August 9th, 1995.)

)o+
Richard Nolle
2009-11-22 10:16:00 UTC
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Post by Todd Carnes
I finally got my download page working again. The following ebooks are
currently available for download from http://carnesoft.net ...
1558 - Dariot, Claude - A Briefe and Most Easie Introduction to the
Stars
1644 - Lilly, William - Supernaturall Sights and Apparitions
1653 - Ramesey, William - Astrology Restored
1656 - Andrews, William - The Astrological Physician
1657 - Gadbury, John - Nauticum Astrologicum
1658 - Gadbury, John - Doctrine of Nativities and Horary Questions
1659 - Lilly,William - Christian Astrology
1662 - Gadbury, John - A Collection of Nativities
1662 - Partridge, John - Mikropanastron (Vade Mecum)
1671 - Thrasher, William - Jubar Astrologicum
1676 - Coley, Henry - Key to the Whole Art of Astrology
1677 - Saunders, Richard - The Astrological Judgment and Practice of
Physick
1679 - Middleton, John - Practical Astrology
1680 - Gadbury, John - The Nativity of Lewis the Fourteenth, King of
France
1682 - Blagrave, Joseph - Introduction to Astrology
1687 - Kirby, Richard - The Marrow of Astrology
1693 - Partridge, John - Opus Reformatum
1694 - Eland, William - A Tutor to Astrology
1697 - Partridge, John - Defectio Geniturarum
Abu Mashar - Flores Astrologiae
Adams, Evangeline - Astrology Your Place Among the Stars (1930)
Aristotle - Metaphysics
Aristotle - On Dreams
Bonatus, Guido - Anima Astrologiae
Carnes, Todd - Rectifying a Chart with the Prenatal Epoch
Gadbury, John - The Doctrine of Horary Questions
Griffin, Anthony - On Theft
Hermes Trismegistus - Centiloquium
Ibn Ezra, Abraham - 120 Aphorisms for Astrologers
Kepler, Johannes - Concerning ... Astrology
Lilly, William - Autobiography
Lilly, William - Choice Aphorisms
Lilly, William - Observations
Lilly, William - The Nature of the Planets
Lucretius - De Rerum Natura (Of the Nature of Things)
Ptolemy, Claudius - Tetrabiblos (Robbins, 1940)
Raphael's Ephemeris - 1800 through 1824
Sepharial - Primary Directions Made Easy
Sibly, Ebenezar - New Complete Illustration
All files are zipped Adobe Acrobat files unless otherwise indicated.
Thanks, Todd. This is a wonderful service to astrophiles everywhere.
--
Richard

www.astropro.com
data/fax = 480-753-6261
consultations/orders = 800-527-8761

"Astrology is about time . . . what else is there?"
Todd Carnes
2009-11-29 05:14:34 UTC
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On Nov 22, 5:16 am, "Richard Nolle" <***@cox.net> wrote:

[snip]
Post by Richard Nolle
Thanks, Todd. This is a wonderful service to astrophiles everywhere.
--
Richard
And thank YOU for the mention on your site. :)

Todd
Richard Nolle
2009-11-29 09:50:30 UTC
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Post by Todd Carnes
[snip]
Post by Richard Nolle
Thanks, Todd. This is a wonderful service to astrophiles everywhere.
--
Richard
And thank YOU for the mention on your site. :)
Todd
You're welcome, Todd: it's a pleasure to share good news.
--
Richard

www.astropro.com
data/fax = 480-753-6261
consultations/orders = 800-527-8761

"Astrology is about time . . . what else is there?"
Edmond H. Wollmann
2010-01-14 14:57:18 UTC
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Post by Todd Carnes
I finally got my download page working again. The following ebooks are
currently available for download from http://carnesoft.net ...
1558 - Dariot, Claude - A Briefe and Most Easie Introduction to the
Stars
1644 - Lilly, William - Supernaturall Sights and Apparitions
1653 - Ramesey, William - Astrology Restored
1656 - Andrews, William - The Astrological Physician
1657 - Gadbury, John - Nauticum Astrologicum
1658 - Gadbury, John - Doctrine of Nativities and Horary Questions
1659 - Lilly,William - Christian Astrology
1662 - Gadbury, John - A Collection of Nativities
1662 - Partridge, John - Mikropanastron (Vade Mecum)
1671 - Thrasher, William - Jubar Astrologicum
1676 - Coley, Henry - Key to the Whole Art of Astrology
1677 - Saunders, Richard - The Astrological Judgment and Practice of
Physick
1679 - Middleton, John - Practical Astrology
1680 - Gadbury, John - The Nativity of Lewis the Fourteenth, King of
France
1682 - Blagrave, Joseph - Introduction to Astrology
1687 - Kirby, Richard - The Marrow of Astrology
1693 - Partridge, John - Opus Reformatum
1694 - Eland, William - A Tutor to Astrology
1697 - Partridge, John - Defectio Geniturarum
Abu Mashar - Flores Astrologiae
Adams, Evangeline - Astrology Your Place Among the Stars (1930)
Aristotle - Metaphysics
Aristotle - On Dreams
Bonatus, Guido - Anima Astrologiae
Carnes, Todd - Rectifying a Chart with the Prenatal Epoch
Gadbury, John - The Doctrine of Horary Questions
Griffin, Anthony - On Theft
Hermes Trismegistus - Centiloquium
Ibn Ezra, Abraham - 120 Aphorisms for Astrologers
Kepler, Johannes - Concerning ... Astrology
Lilly, William - Autobiography
Lilly, William - Choice Aphorisms
Lilly, William - Observations
Lilly, William - The Nature of the Planets
Lucretius - De Rerum Natura (Of the Nature of Things)
Ptolemy, Claudius - Tetrabiblos (Robbins, 1940)
Raphael's Ephemeris - 1800 through 1824
Sepharial - Primary Directions Made Easy
Sibly, Ebenezar - New Complete Illustration
All files are zipped Adobe Acrobat files unless otherwise indicated.
Wow, thanks for that.
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2010 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Articles http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/TOC.htm
Todd Carnes
2010-01-14 17:35:19 UTC
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Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Post by Todd Carnes
I finally got my download page working again. The following ebooks are
currently available for download from http://carnesoft.net ...
[snip]
Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Wow, thanks for that.
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
You're welcome.
Edmond H. Wollmann
2010-01-22 09:38:40 UTC
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Post by Todd Carnes
Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Post by Todd Carnes
I finally got my download page working again. The following ebooks are
currently available for download from http://carnesoft.net ...
[snip]
Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Wow, thanks for that.
You're welcome.
Mine is now available in ebook format, but sorry, not for free:-)
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2010 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Articles http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/TOC.htm
Hermes
2010-01-22 21:58:08 UTC
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Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Post by Todd Carnes
Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Post by Todd Carnes
I finally got my download page working again. The following ebooks are
currently available for download fromhttp://carnesoft.net...
[snip]
Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Wow, thanks for that.
You're welcome.
Mine is now available in ebook format, but sorry, not for free:-)
Would that be the book: http://www.astroconsulting.com/prod01.htm ?

)o+
Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2010 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consultinghttp://www.astroconsulting.com/
Articleshttp://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
Artworkshttp://www.e-wollmann.com/TOC.htm
Hermes
2010-01-22 22:15:24 UTC
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Post by Hermes
[...]
Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Mine is now available in ebook format, but sorry, not for free:-)
Would that be the book: http://www.astroconsulting.com/prod01.htm ?
I guess, so, I have just ordered a copy (paperback, not ebook):

http://www.bookmasters.com/marktplc/00359.htm

Why am I not astonished to see the Eye of Horus in the center of the
zodiac of the cover ? ;)
(c.f. "What indicates something being opened up?" thread)

http://atlasbooks.insidethecover.com/widget/?isbn=9780966353211&cpid=CHP00062WID

Thanks for taking the time to post here, Ed, I had seen your posts
over the years at alt.astrology (mainly), but somehow missed what I
feel is quite extraordinary quality in your works.

(One indirect exception is that I found Jean Richer's "geographie
sacree du monde grec" via your web site - actually Jean Richer is a
bit like me (AC+MC), just opposite (sun+moon):

Jean Richer's birth chart: http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/9mx3s7vLTts2.htm
My birth chart: Loading Image...

But I like his work, does not feel opposite to me, maybe due to very
similar AC/MC. I especially liked the chapter about the lion of Iulis
in his book, which seems to have been originally published close to my
birth (1967 vs. 1966).

)o+
Todd Carnes
2010-01-23 04:12:56 UTC
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"Hermes" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:a400bf80-5b5d-4c05-ba3a-***@a6g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...

[snip]
Post by Hermes
Thanks for taking the time to post here, Ed, I had seen your posts
over the years at alt.astrology (mainly), but somehow missed what I
feel is quite extraordinary quality in your works.
Unfortunately, people (usually rude & ignorant ones) always seem to be so
busy looking for reasons to bash Ed, that they totally miss out on the the
simple fact that he's actually pretty darned good at astrology.

Of course, I've just made myself a target of those same rude & ignorant
people (again), but who cares what they think anyway? :)

Todd
Edmond H. Wollmann
2010-01-28 08:32:14 UTC
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Post by Todd Carnes
[snip]
Post by Hermes
Thanks for taking the time to post here, Ed, I had seen your posts
over the years at alt.astrology (mainly), but somehow missed what I
feel is quite extraordinary quality in your works.
Unfortunately, people (usually rude & ignorant ones) always seem to be so
busy looking for reasons to bash Ed, that they totally miss out on the the
simple fact that he's actually pretty darned good at astrology.
Of course, I've just made myself a target of those same rude & ignorant
people (again), but who cares what they think anyway? :)
Todd
Not really sure how I encouraged such wrath other than I don't like to
be pushed anywhere or forced to do anything (Jupiter conjunct Uranus
exact in 12):-) Also I do care only one thing about what they think, and
that is that they get the message that I will never give up, never
cower, and I will never go away until I decide to.
OK moderator, that's all I'm saying:-))
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2010 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/EHWollmann
Twitter http://twitter.com/Altairtheflyer
Edmond H. Wollmann
2010-01-28 08:37:10 UTC
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Post by Hermes
Post by Hermes
[...]
Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Mine is now available in ebook format, but sorry, not for free:-)
Would that be the book: http://www.astroconsulting.com/prod01.htm ?
http://www.bookmasters.com/marktplc/00359.htm
Hey thanks!
Post by Hermes
Why am I not astonished to see the Eye of Horus in the center of the
zodiac of the cover ? ;)
(c.f. "What indicates something being opened up?" thread)
It is also a sign of protection.

http://atlasbooks.insidethecover.com/widget/?isbn=9780966353211&cpid=CHP00062WID
Post by Hermes
Thanks for taking the time to post here, Ed, I had seen your posts
over the years at alt.astrology (mainly), but somehow missed what I
feel is quite extraordinary quality in your works.
Wow, thanks for that. I really used to like alt.astrology in 1995 or so
it was real fun and learning. I wasn't opposed to aam only that everyone
abandoning alt.astrology to come here, which I thought was giving up the
ship so to speak. I tried to convince everyone to stay posting there no
matter what the abusers did, which I still feel is the only way they
would really go away or get bored or get a clue that we can't be so
easily run off.
Post by Hermes
(One indirect exception is that I found Jean Richer's "geographie
sacree du monde grec" via your web site - actually Jean Richer is a
Jean Richer's birth chart: http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/9mx3s7vLTts2.htm
My birth chart: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_M_Yn4lKv3Dw/Sw_wR3Qj60I/AAAAAAAAACc/o1s4ErIFCho/birthchart.gif
But I like his work, does not feel opposite to me, maybe due to very
similar AC/MC. I especially liked the chapter about the lion of Iulis
in his book, which seems to have been originally published close to my
birth (1967 vs. 1966).
)o+
I try to put up diverse links on my links page because I know everyone
thinks vastly different on the subject.
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2010 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/EHWollmann
Twitter http://twitter.com/Altairtheflyer
Hermes
2010-01-30 10:54:13 UTC
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Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Post by Hermes
[...]
Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Mine is now available in ebook format, but sorry, not for free:-)
Would that be the book:http://www.astroconsulting.com/prod01.htm?
http://www.bookmasters.com/marktplc/00359.htm
Hey thanks!
Post by Hermes
Why am I not astonished to see the Eye of Horus in the center of the
zodiac of the cover ? ;)
(c.f. "What indicates something being opened up?" thread)
It is also a sign of protection.
http://atlasbooks.insidethecover.com/widget/?isbn=9780966353211&cpid=...
Post by Hermes
Thanks for taking the time to post here, Ed, I had seen your posts
over the years at alt.astrology (mainly), but somehow missed what I
feel is quite extraordinary quality in your works.
Wow, thanks for that. I really used to like alt.astrology in 1995 or so
it was real fun and learning. I wasn't opposed to aam only that everyone
abandoning alt.astrology to come here, which I thought was giving up the
ship so to speak. I tried to convince everyone to stay posting there no
matter what the abusers did, which I still feel is the only way they
would really go away or get bored or get a clue that we can't be so
easily run off.
My direct experience only goes back to 2002. I have always wondered if
the fate of unmoderated online forums in recent years has been
something that is almost unavoidable due to the 3 keywords
"unmoderated", "online" and the "nature of man" - or if it was maybe
just the time in terms of, say, cycles of outer planets, for things to
evolve like that. With Pluto in Capricorn and Uranus and Neptune soon
switching signs, it will be interesting to see what happens.

I have also considered some technical additions to unmoderated usenet,
which might make it possible to have virtual "moderated" groups emerge
by themselves within unmoderated usenet. Roughly like this: A
"moderator" of a virtual group would regularly screen new posts at a.a
(say), then posts a list of approved post message ids, signed
digitally with his/her private key. People visiting a.a would then
first look around at all posts and could then select one or several
virtual groups, and choose in their client software to highlight posts
belonging to these groups or only to show these posts, and so on.
Within a.a. there might thus emerge virtual groups like "tropical
astrology", "traditional astrology", "skeptic comments", "saturn trine
moon in september", ... Anybody could be a moderator, anybody would be
free what he/she would want to see (by default or on a case by case
basis). Everybody could post.

Of course, realizing this is a different story, with so many news
readers and web services around that would have to support the new
feature, and it is not sure if effectively many groups would carry on
(moderation is work).

)o+
Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Post by Hermes
(One indirect exception is that I found Jean Richer's "geographie
sacree du monde grec" via your web site - actually Jean Richer is a
Jean Richer's birth chart:http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/9mx3s7vLTts2.htm
My birth chart:http://lh6.ggpht.com/_M_Yn4lKv3Dw/Sw_wR3Qj60I/AAAAAAAAACc/o1s4ErIFCho...
But I like his work, does not feel opposite to me, maybe due to very
similar AC/MC. I especially liked the chapter about the lion of Iulis
in his book, which seems to have been originally published close to my
birth (1967 vs. 1966).
)o+
I try to put up diverse links on my links page because I know everyone
thinks vastly different on the subject.
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
© 2010 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consultinghttp://www.astroconsulting.com/
Youtubehttp://www.youtube.com/user/EHWollmann
Twitterhttp://twitter.com/Altairtheflyer
A B
2010-01-31 21:10:27 UTC
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Post by Hermes
My direct experience only goes back to 2002. I have always wondered if
the fate of unmoderated online forums in recent years has been
something that is almost unavoidable due to the 3 keywords
"unmoderated", "online" and the "nature of man" - or if it was maybe
just the time in terms of, say, cycles of outer planets, for things to
evolve like that. With Pluto in Capricorn and Uranus and Neptune soon
switching signs, it will be interesting to see what happens.
I have also considered some technical additions to unmoderated usenet,
which might make it possible to have virtual "moderated" groups emerge
by themselves within unmoderated usenet. Roughly like this: A
"moderator" of a virtual group would regularly screen new posts at a.a
(say), then posts a list of approved post message ids, signed
digitally with his/her private key. People visiting a.a would then
first look around at all posts and could then select one or several
virtual groups, and choose in their client software to highlight posts
belonging to these groups or only to show these posts, and so on.
Within a.a. there might thus emerge virtual groups like "tropical
astrology", "traditional astrology", "skeptic comments", "saturn trine
moon in september", ... Anybody could be a moderator, anybody would be
free what he/she would want to see (by default or on a case by case
basis). Everybody could post.
Of course, realizing this is a different story, with so many news
readers and web services around that would have to support the new
feature, and it is not sure if effectively many groups would carry on
(moderation is work).
)o+
It's still a very clever idea. That way, you could have a single newsgroup,
but readers could choose whether to have it moderated or unmoderated - if
two people were willing to moderate, you could even have a choice of
moderation. What would you do about replies to rejected posts that are
themselves OK, though? It gets confusing when you have replies coming in to
something you haven't seen. I get this problem just with my ordinary
killfile. As you say, there would alsp be trouble implementing it - but
maybe the open source newsreaders at least would be in with a chance? I
suppose this is wildly off topic, but I wanted to say that it's not just
Hermes who likes the idea.
A. B.


======================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
This is offtopic, but I will allow this discussion as long as stays free of discussion of moderation of a.a.m, as the Charter explicitly prohibits discussion on that particular subject. /Kjell
Hermes
2010-02-01 06:59:43 UTC
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[...]
Post by A B
Post by Hermes
I have also considered some technical additions to unmoderated usenet,
which might make it possible to have virtual "moderated" groups emerge
by themselves within unmoderated usenet. Roughly like this: A
"moderator" of a virtual group would regularly screen new posts at a.a
(say), then posts a list of approved post message ids, signed
digitally with his/her private key. People visiting a.a would then
first look around at all posts and could then select one or several
virtual groups, and choose in their client software to highlight posts
belonging to these groups or only to show these posts, and so on.
Within a.a. there might thus emerge virtual groups like "tropical
astrology", "traditional astrology", "skeptic comments", "saturn trine
moon in september", ... Anybody could be a moderator, anybody would be
free what he/she would want to see (by default or on a case by case
basis). Everybody could post.
Of course, realizing this is a different story, with so many news
readers and web services around that would have to support the new
feature, and it is not sure if effectively many groups would carry on
(moderation is work).
)o+
It's still a very clever idea. That way, you could have a single newsgroup,
but readers could choose whether to have it moderated or unmoderated - if
two people were willing to moderate, you could even have a choice of
moderation. What would you do about replies to rejected posts that are
themselves OK, though? It gets confusing when you have replies coming in to
something you haven't seen. I get this problem just with my ordinary
killfile. As you say, there would alsp be trouble implementing it - but
maybe the open source newsreaders at least would be in with a chance? I
suppose this is wildly off topic, but I wanted to say that it's not just
Hermes who likes the idea.
I would not say that I personally like the idea so much, I probably
prefer the idea of virtual "homes" with protective shells like
moderated newsgroups are. I see my idea maybe also somewhere on the
axis of the lunar nodes now, Cancer-Capricorn, on the ambivalence
between these two on issues like hierarchy (which limits but also
protects) vs. self-organization and freedom (both signs are cardinal).
Usenet itself has the n.node in Virgo, so the historical development
from no hierarchy to one (sci.*, alt.*, etc.) and the evolution into
moderated groups would likely be quite natural in that sense.

Regarding replies to "rejected" posts in my idea: Could always reject
those, as effectively in moderated newsgroups, or could start to
moderate into details, into individual passages and then blend
"rejected" passages first out by software, with the option to show
them again with a mouse click. Moderated newsgroups might even profit
from such technical features: Official moderators might choose to
label posts by categories as a service to readers. I guess, as usually
with ideas involving self-organization, the only way to really find
out how things will turn out, would be to try it.

)o+
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This is offtopic, but I will allow this discussion as long as stays free of discussion of moderation of a.a.m, as the Charter explicitly prohibits discussion on that particular subject. /Kjell
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