Any good Astrology Documentaries out there?

[Adel Ather]

A year ago I made a post announcing the beginning of the development of an
Astrology film. As of now, we have completed the principal photography for
the film, of the dramatic portion of the film. The film is about a
character who is lost in a dream world meeting different astrological
archetypal symbols within his own mind.

However, to accompany the dramatic / theatrical version we are also
developing a documentary to go with the film. The film focuses on Astrology
from the humantarian, 'psychological' point of view.

Has their been any enlightening / good documentary anyone has seen on
Astrology? It has been of my opinion most of the documentaries I've seen
have been created from a 'skeptics' point of view, and spent more time
anaylzing it's validity than what good it can do. I believe this film is
essential to spreading to the general public true understanding of
astrology.

http://www.geocities.com/typhon_vision

http://www.spectranet.ca/~purdesi/trailerd.htm

[Ray Murphy]

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Post by Adel Ather
A year ago I made a post announcing the beginning of the development of an
Astrology film. As of now, we have completed the principal photography for
the film, of the dramatic portion of the film. The film is about a
character who is lost in a dream world meeting different astrological
archetypal symbols within his own mind.
However, to accompany the dramatic / theatrical version we are also
developing a documentary to go with the film. The film focuses on Astrology
from the humantarian, 'psychological' point of view.
Has their been any enlightening / good documentary anyone has seen on
Astrology? It has been of my opinion most of the documentaries I've seen
have been created from a 'skeptics' point of view, and spent more time
anaylzing it's validity than what good it can do. I believe this film is
essential to spreading to the general public true understanding of
astrology.

RM: I can't recall seeing any documentaries about astrology, although
there have been many minor references to astrology in movies and tv
shows - including documentaries.

You might get a few ideas from the following:
* The two Nostradamus documentaries which were shown in Australia with
a local tv personality hosting them, and comment by at least one
Australian (formerly Canadian) astrologer, Brian Clark.
* Martin Lewicki's recently published Astronomy / Astrology CD. Martin
is an aamod regular and easily contactable.
* Liz Greenes introduction to astrology (videotape). A friend of mine
has a copy.
* The documentary about the life of HM Queen Elizabeth II which
started by saying HM was born at 2.40am. (It's not astrology but might
be useful somehow). I've got that.
* Books which mention Churchill's "astrological activity" to counter
advice being given to the other side.
* The French astrologer's book (Volguine?) who mentioned that one or
more English Kings travelled at the time of Solar Returns.
* Various books which mention Royal families engaging astrologers.
* The records (or more likley urban myths) about Hippocrates
rcommending that astrology be used for the timing of surgery - and
Doctors swearing to honour a commitment in that regard.
* References to astrologers using (progressively) out-of-date
declination tables for 400 years for the positions of stars.
* References to a university in Germany abolishing the seat for
astrology about 450 years ago.
* The fact that we still have found no statistical evidence to back up
a single claim - for batches of similar people or for batches of
similar transits. (I could supply some graphs of both, from JigSaw and
my own program.
* Innacuracy of birth times during the 20th century (see my website)
http://users.chariot.net.au/~astrocom/birthtimescompared.html
Main page is: http://users.chariot.net.au/~astrocom/index2.html
* Astrologers in the phone book (yellow pages) in some places - but
not in others (because of laws and religious fundamentalists).
* Indian government recently appointing an official "starting point"
for the sidereal zodiac.
* U.S. Congress supplying money to investigate an unofficial astrology
claim at least once (20 years ago).
* The high precision astronomical calculations, and accurate
information supplied by Swiss company Astrodienst.

I'd also suggest looking at Readers Digest large book which was
published about 20 years ago with innacurate information about
astrology. A lot of people got the wrong idea about astrology from
that.

Ray

[Lisa Eclipse Astrology]

Post by Ray Murphy
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Post by Adel Ather
A year ago I made a post announcing the beginning of the development of an
Astrology film. As of now, we have completed the principal photography for
the film, of the dramatic portion of the film. The film is about a
character who is lost in a dream world meeting different astrological
archetypal symbols within his own mind.
However, to accompany the dramatic / theatrical version we are also
developing a documentary to go with the film. The film focuses on Astrology
from the humantarian, 'psychological' point of view.
Has their been any enlightening / good documentary anyone has seen on
Astrology? It has been of my opinion most of the documentaries I've seen
have been created from a 'skeptics' point of view, and spent more time
anaylzing it's validity than what good it can do. I believe this film is
essential to spreading to the general public true understanding of
astrology.

RM: I can't recall seeing any documentaries about astrology, although
there have been many minor references to astrology in movies and tv
shows - including documentaries.
* The two Nostradamus documentaries which were shown in Australia with
a local tv personality hosting them, and comment by at least one
Australian (formerly Canadian) astrologer, Brian Clark.
* Martin Lewicki's recently published Astronomy / Astrology CD. Martin
is an aamod regular and easily contactable.
* Liz Greenes introduction to astrology (videotape). A friend of mine
has a copy.
* The documentary about the life of HM Queen Elizabeth II which
started by saying HM was born at 2.40am. (It's not astrology but might
be useful somehow). I've got that.
* Books which mention Churchill's "astrological activity" to counter
advice being given to the other side.
* The French astrologer's book (Volguine?) who mentioned that one or
more English Kings travelled at the time of Solar Returns.
* Various books which mention Royal families engaging astrologers.
* The records (or more likley urban myths) about Hippocrates
rcommending that astrology be used for the timing of surgery - and
Doctors swearing to honour a commitment in that regard.
* References to astrologers using (progressively) out-of-date
declination tables for 400 years for the positions of stars.
* References to a university in Germany abolishing the seat for
astrology about 450 years ago.
* The fact that we still have found no statistical evidence to back up
a single claim - for batches of similar people or for batches of
similar transits. (I could supply some graphs of both, from JigSaw and
my own program.
* Innacuracy of birth times during the 20th century (see my website)
http://users.chariot.net.au/~astrocom/birthtimescompared.html
Main page is: http://users.chariot.net.au/~astrocom/index2.html
* Astrologers in the phone book (yellow pages) in some places - but
not in others (because of laws and religious fundamentalists).
* Indian government recently appointing an official "starting point"
for the sidereal zodiac.
* U.S. Congress supplying money to investigate an unofficial astrology
claim at least once (20 years ago).
* The high precision astronomical calculations, and accurate
information supplied by Swiss company Astrodienst.
I'd also suggest looking at Readers Digest large book which was
published about 20 years ago with innacurate information about
astrology. A lot of people got the wrong idea about astrology from
that.
Ray

Wow, awesome list, Ray! :-) I don't know if this is included on your
list above as I may have it referenced it differently, but I believe
that either the History Channel, Discovery or TLC had one in which I saw
Rob Hand interviewed about medieval/classical astrology, but don't
remember the name of it (darn it!). Hope you can find this! Lisa Allen

[Dan Barkye]

"Ray Murphy" <***@chariot.net.au> wrote in message news:***@news.chariot.net.au...
|
| ----------
| In article <R6mdnfcyUt-DJ_3cRVn-***@rogers.com>, "Adel Ather"
| <***@rogers.com> wrote:
|
|
| >A year ago I made a post announcing the beginning of the development
of an
| >Astrology film. As of now, we have completed the principal
photography for
| >the film, of the dramatic portion of the film. The film is about a
| >character who is lost in a dream world meeting different astrological
| >archetypal symbols within his own mind.
| >
| >However, to accompany the dramatic / theatrical version we are also
| >developing a documentary to go with the film. The film focuses on
Astrology
| >from the humantarian, 'psychological' point of view.
| >
| >Has their been any enlightening / good documentary anyone has seen on
| >Astrology? It has been of my opinion most of the documentaries I've
seen
| >have been created from a 'skeptics' point of view, and spent more
time
| >anaylzing it's validity than what good it can do. I believe this
film is
| >essential to spreading to the general public true understanding of
| >astrology.
|
| RM: I can't recall seeing any documentaries about astrology, although
| there have been many minor references to astrology in movies and tv
| shows - including documentaries.
|
| You might get a few ideas from the following:
| * The two Nostradamus documentaries which were shown in Australia with
| a local tv personality hosting them, and comment by at least one
| Australian (formerly Canadian) astrologer, Brian Clark.
| * Martin Lewicki's recently published Astronomy / Astrology CD. Martin
| is an aamod regular and easily contactable.
| * Liz Greenes introduction to astrology (videotape). A friend of mine
| has a copy.
| * The documentary about the life of HM Queen Elizabeth II which
| started by saying HM was born at 2.40am. (It's not astrology but might
| be useful somehow). I've got that.
| * Books which mention Churchill's "astrological activity" to counter
| advice being given to the other side.
| * The French astrologer's book (Volguine?) who mentioned that one or
| more English Kings travelled at the time of Solar Returns.
| * Various books which mention Royal families engaging astrologers.
| * The records (or more likley urban myths) about Hippocrates
| rcommending that astrology be used for the timing of surgery - and
| Doctors swearing to honour a commitment in that regard.
| * References to astrologers using (progressively) out-of-date
| declination tables for 400 years for the positions of stars.
| * References to a university in Germany abolishing the seat for
| astrology about 450 years ago.
| * The fact that we still have found no statistical evidence to back up
| a single claim - for batches of similar people or for batches of
| similar transits. (I could supply some graphs of both, from JigSaw and
| my own program.
| * Innacuracy of birth times during the 20th century (see my website)
| http://users.chariot.net.au/~astrocom/birthtimescompared.html
| Main page is: http://users.chariot.net.au/~astrocom/index2.html
| * Astrologers in the phone book (yellow pages) in some places - but
| not in others (because of laws and religious fundamentalists).
| * Indian government recently appointing an official "starting point"
| for the sidereal zodiac.
| * U.S. Congress supplying money to investigate an unofficial astrology
| claim at least once (20 years ago).
| * The high precision astronomical calculations, and accurate
| information supplied by Swiss company Astrodienst.
|
| I'd also suggest looking at Readers Digest large book which was
| published about 20 years ago with innacurate information about
| astrology. A lot of people got the wrong idea about astrology from
| that.
|
| Ray
|

-- Ray, this is an absolutely marvelous list. I'm gonna copy it (w your
permission) and file it in my Astrology Data/Documents file. Thanks.

Dan

[Ray Murphy]

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Post by Dan Barkye
|
| ----------
|

[.....]

[Ideas for documentary about astrology]

Post by Dan Barkye
|
| RM: I can't recall seeing any documentaries about astrology, although
| there have been many minor references to astrology in movies and tv
| shows - including documentaries.
|
| * The two Nostradamus documentaries which were shown in Australia with
| a local tv personality hosting them, and comment by at least one
| Australian (formerly Canadian) astrologer, Brian Clark.
| * Martin Lewicki's recently published Astronomy / Astrology CD. Martin
| is an aamod regular and easily contactable.
| * Liz Greenes introduction to astrology (videotape). A friend of mine
| has a copy.
| * The documentary about the life of HM Queen Elizabeth II which
| started by saying HM was born at 2.40am. (It's not astrology but might
| be useful somehow). I've got that.
| * Books which mention Churchill's "astrological activity" to counter
| advice being given to the other side.
| * The French astrologer's book (Volguine?) who mentioned that one or
| more English Kings travelled at the time of Solar Returns.
| * Various books which mention Royal families engaging astrologers.
| * The records (or more likley urban myths) about Hippocrates
| rcommending that astrology be used for the timing of surgery - and
| Doctors swearing to honour a commitment in that regard.
| * References to astrologers using (progressively) out-of-date
| declination tables for 400 years for the positions of stars.
| * References to a university in Germany abolishing the seat for
| astrology about 450 years ago.
| * The fact that we still have found no statistical evidence to back up
| a single claim - for batches of similar people or for batches of
| similar transits. (I could supply some graphs of both, from JigSaw and
| my own program.
| * Innacuracy of birth times during the 20th century (see my website)
| http://users.chariot.net.au/~astrocom/birthtimescompared.html
| Main page is: http://users.chariot.net.au/~astrocom/index2.html
| * Astrologers in the phone book (yellow pages) in some places - but
| not in others (because of laws and religious fundamentalists).
| * Indian government recently appointing an official "starting point"
| for the sidereal zodiac.
| * U.S. Congress supplying money to investigate an unofficial astrology
| claim at least once (20 years ago).
| * The high precision astronomical calculations, and accurate
| information supplied by Swiss company Astrodienst.
|
| I'd also suggest looking at Readers Digest large book which was
| published about 20 years ago with innacurate information about
| astrology. A lot of people got the wrong idea about astrology from
| that.
|
| Ray
|
-- Ray, this is an absolutely marvelous list. I'm gonna copy it (w your
permission) and file it in my Astrology Data/Documents file. Thanks.
Dan

RM: It's a pretty rough list Dan, but just imagine what you/we could
end up with if we keep adding to it and jazzing it up - and perhaps
including references.
It's only fair of course when reporting on the history of astrology,
to include any major problems - such as that 'declination' problem. I
don't know how much the "star positions' were thrown 'out-of-whack' by
it, but if we can ever find old astrological literature which used the
wrong figures, we might learn something from it.

Ray

[Dan Barkye]

"Ray Murphy" <***@chariot.net.au> wrote in message news:***@news.chariot.net.au...
|
| ----------
| In article <yf09d.6700$***@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
| "Dan Barkye" <***@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:
|
|
| >
| >"Ray Murphy" <***@chariot.net.au> wrote in message
| >news:***@news.chariot.net.au...
| >|
| >| ----------
| >| In article <R6mdnfcyUt-DJ_3cRVn-***@rogers.com>, "Adel Ather"
| >| <***@rogers.com> wrote:
| >|
| [.....]
|
| [Ideas for documentary about astrology]
|
| >|
| >| RM: I can't recall seeing any documentaries about astrology,
although
| >| there have been many minor references to astrology in movies and tv
| >| shows - including documentaries.
| >|
| >| You might get a few ideas from the following:
| >| * The two Nostradamus documentaries which were shown in Australia
with
| >| a local tv personality hosting them, and comment by at least one
| >| Australian (formerly Canadian) astrologer, Brian Clark.
| >| * Martin Lewicki's recently published Astronomy / Astrology CD.
Martin
| >| is an aamod regular and easily contactable.
| >| * Liz Greenes introduction to astrology (videotape). A friend of
mine
| >| has a copy.
| >| * The documentary about the life of HM Queen Elizabeth II which
| >| started by saying HM was born at 2.40am. (It's not astrology but
might
| >| be useful somehow). I've got that.
| >| * Books which mention Churchill's "astrological activity" to
counter
| >| advice being given to the other side.
| >| * The French astrologer's book (Volguine?) who mentioned that one
or
| >| more English Kings travelled at the time of Solar Returns.
| >| * Various books which mention Royal families engaging astrologers.
| >| * The records (or more likley urban myths) about Hippocrates
| >| rcommending that astrology be used for the timing of surgery - and
| >| Doctors swearing to honour a commitment in that regard.
| >| * References to astrologers using (progressively) out-of-date
| >| declination tables for 400 years for the positions of stars.
| >| * References to a university in Germany abolishing the seat for
| >| astrology about 450 years ago.
| >| * The fact that we still have found no statistical evidence to back
up
| >| a single claim - for batches of similar people or for batches of
| >| similar transits. (I could supply some graphs of both, from JigSaw
and
| >| my own program.
| >| * Innacuracy of birth times during the 20th century (see my
website)
| >| http://users.chariot.net.au/~astrocom/birthtimescompared.html
| >| Main page is: http://users.chariot.net.au/~astrocom/index2.html
| >| * Astrologers in the phone book (yellow pages) in some places - but
| >| not in others (because of laws and religious fundamentalists).
| >| * Indian government recently appointing an official "starting
point"
| >| for the sidereal zodiac.
| >| * U.S. Congress supplying money to investigate an unofficial
astrology
| >| claim at least once (20 years ago).
| >| * The high precision astronomical calculations, and accurate
| >| information supplied by Swiss company Astrodienst.
| >|
| >| I'd also suggest looking at Readers Digest large book which was
| >| published about 20 years ago with innacurate information about
| >| astrology. A lot of people got the wrong idea about astrology from
| >| that.
| >|
| >| Ray
| >|
| >
| >-- Ray, this is an absolutely marvelous list. I'm gonna copy it (w
your
| >permission) and file it in my Astrology Data/Documents file. Thanks.
| >
| >Dan
|
| RM: It's a pretty rough list Dan, but just imagine what you/we could
| end up with if we keep adding to it and jazzing it up - and perhaps
| including references.
| It's only fair of course when reporting on the history of astrology,
| to include any major problems - such as that 'declination' problem. I
| don't know how much the "star positions' were thrown 'out-of-whack' by
| it, but if we can ever find old astrological literature which used the
| wrong figures, we might learn something from it.
|
| Ray

-- I wish there would be a prominent academic figure, w enough respect
and consistency, to conduct a full scientific research on Astrology.
India is on the right way.

Dan

[Dan Barkye]

"Adel Ather" <***@rogers.com> wrote in message news:R6mdnfcyUt-DJ_3cRVn-***@rogers.com...
|A year ago I made a post announcing the beginning of the development of
an
| Astrology film. As of now, we have completed the principal
photography for
| the film, of the dramatic portion of the film. The film is about a
| character who is lost in a dream world meeting different astrological
| archetypal symbols within his own mind.
|
| However, to accompany the dramatic / theatrical version we are also
| developing a documentary to go with the film. The film focuses on
Astrology
| from the humantarian, 'psychological' point of view.
|
| Has their been any enlightening / good documentary anyone has seen on
| Astrology? It has been of my opinion most of the documentaries I've
seen
| have been created from a 'skeptics' point of view, and spent more time
| anaylzing it's validity than what good it can do. I believe this film
is
| essential to spreading to the general public true understanding of
| astrology.
|
| http://www.geocities.com/typhon_vision
|
| http://www.spectranet.ca/~purdesi/trailerd.htm

-- To Ray's absolutely wonderful list, you might add the fact that the
Reagans used an astrologer who wrote a book about it; you might also add
the famous verdict in the beginning of the 20th century, I believe,
which made Astrology legal in New York state, after the charged
astrologer (who I am too lazy to find her name, now, sorry about that;
Ray and others will provide the info, surely) was acquitted when she
detailed in court, as part of her defense, the life of a certain "X",
whose birth data was given to her by the judge. "X" was the judge's son.
Churchill used astrology to counteract the astrological advices given to
Hitler by *his* astrologer.

The Cheering Dan

[Lisa Eclipse Astrology]

Post by Dan Barkye
|A year ago I made a post announcing the beginning of the development of
an
| Astrology film. As of now, we have completed the principal
photography for
| the film, of the dramatic portion of the film. The film is about a
| character who is lost in a dream world meeting different astrological
| archetypal symbols within his own mind.
|
| However, to accompany the dramatic / theatrical version we are also
| developing a documentary to go with the film. The film focuses on
Astrology
| from the humantarian, 'psychological' point of view.
|
| Has their been any enlightening / good documentary anyone has seen on
| Astrology? It has been of my opinion most of the documentaries I've
seen
| have been created from a 'skeptics' point of view, and spent more time
| anaylzing it's validity than what good it can do. I believe this film
is
| essential to spreading to the general public true understanding of
| astrology.
|
| http://www.geocities.com/typhon_vision
|
| http://www.spectranet.ca/~purdesi/trailerd.htm
-- To Ray's absolutely wonderful list, you might add the fact that the
Reagans used an astrologer who wrote a book about it; you might also add
the famous verdict in the beginning of the 20th century, I believe,
which made Astrology legal in New York state, after the charged
astrologer (who I am too lazy to find her name, now, sorry about that;
Ray and others will provide the info, surely) was acquitted when she
detailed in court, as part of her defense, the life of a certain "X",
whose birth data was given to her by the judge. "X" was the judge's son.
Churchill used astrology to counteract the astrological advices given to
Hitler by *his* astrologer.
The Cheering Dan

Hi Dan! Do you mean Joan Quigley "What Does Joan Say?" for the Reagans
and for Evangeline Adams for the famouse early 20th century court
verdict in NY? Don't know about Churchill's (darn!) - Lisa

[Dan Barkye]

"Lisa Eclipse Astrology" <***@bresnan.net.invalid> wrote in
message news:BpqdnfjOyI9wB_7cRVn-***@bresnan.com...
| Dan Barkye wrote:
|
| > "Adel Ather" <***@rogers.com> wrote in message
| > news:R6mdnfcyUt-DJ_3cRVn-***@rogers.com...
| > |A year ago I made a post announcing the beginning of the
development of
| > an
| > | Astrology film. As of now, we have completed the principal
| > photography for
| > | the film, of the dramatic portion of the film. The film is about
a
| > | character who is lost in a dream world meeting different
astrological
| > | archetypal symbols within his own mind.
| > |
| > | However, to accompany the dramatic / theatrical version we are
also
| > | developing a documentary to go with the film. The film focuses on
| > Astrology
| > | from the humantarian, 'psychological' point of view.
| > |
| > | Has their been any enlightening / good documentary anyone has seen
on
| > | Astrology? It has been of my opinion most of the documentaries
I've
| > seen
| > | have been created from a 'skeptics' point of view, and spent more
time
| > | anaylzing it's validity than what good it can do. I believe this
film
| > is
| > | essential to spreading to the general public true understanding of
| > | astrology.
| > |
| > | http://www.geocities.com/typhon_vision
| > |
| > | http://www.spectranet.ca/~purdesi/trailerd.htm
| >
| > -- To Ray's absolutely wonderful list, you might add the fact that
the
| > Reagans used an astrologer who wrote a book about it; you might also
add
| > the famous verdict in the beginning of the 20th century, I believe,
| > which made Astrology legal in New York state, after the charged
| > astrologer (who I am too lazy to find her name, now, sorry about
that;
| > Ray and others will provide the info, surely) was acquitted when she
| > detailed in court, as part of her defense, the life of a certain
"X",
| > whose birth data was given to her by the judge. "X" was the judge's
son.
| > Churchill used astrology to counteract the astrological advices
given to
| > Hitler by *his* astrologer.
| >
| > The Cheering Dan
| >
| Hi Dan! Do you mean Joan Quigley "What Does Joan Say?" for the
Reagans
| and for Evangeline Adams for the famouse early 20th century court
| verdict in NY? Don't know about Churchill's (darn!) - Lisa
|

-- Hi, Lisa!

Yes, this is what I mean!! I forgot the name of this famous lady, which
made Astrology legal here (at least in NY) (darn! -)) ) . Thanks!

Dan

[fi]

Post by Dan Barkye
Churchill used astrology to counteract the astrological advices given to
Hitler by *his* astrologer.

no. hitler did not believe in astrology. the britains used astrology for
psychological warfare purposes against nazi-germany just as the nazis
used nostradamus for propaganda against france.
for a detailled account see:
ellic howe: urania's children. the strange world of astrologers. (1967)
UC provides the first authoritative analysis of the historical pattern
of the survival of astrological beliefs in western europe since 1700.
the second half of the book deals with the swiss astrologer who was said
to have been hitler's adviser, and the german astrological movement of
the period 1919-1939, particularly in hitler's third reich after 1933.

franz

[Dan Barkye]

"fi" <***@h3c.de> wrote in message news:1ca12667hg0uo$***@tyche.h3c.de...
| ~6.10.04 7:27h, Dan Barkye wrote:
|
| > Churchill used astrology to counteract the astrological advices
given to
| > Hitler by *his* astrologer.
|
| no. hitler did not believe in astrology. the britains used astrology
for
| psychological warfare purposes against nazi-germany just as the nazis
| used nostradamus for propaganda against france.
| for a detailled account see:
| ellic howe: urania's children. the strange world of astrologers.
(1967)
| UC provides the first authoritative analysis of the historical pattern
| of the survival of astrological beliefs in western europe since 1700.
| the second half of the book deals with the swiss astrologer who was
said
| to have been hitler's adviser, and the german astrological movement of
| the period 1919-1939, particularly in hitler's third reich after 1933.
|
| franz

-- This is quite new/s to me, as I know that Hitler used an astrologer,
and Churchill used one, too, to know what Hitler was advised to do.
Also, with the profound occult background of Hitler himself, and of the
Nazi movement (so much so, that they had an occult ministry), hard to
believe he didn't use it as a tool, beside others.

Dan

[Ray Murphy]

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Post by Dan Barkye
|
| > Churchill used astrology to counteract the astrological advices
| >given to Hitler by *his* astrologer.
|
| no. hitler did not believe in astrology. the britains used astrology
for
| psychological warfare purposes against nazi-germany just as the nazis
| used nostradamus for propaganda against france.
| ellic howe: urania's children. the strange world of astrologers.
(1967)
| UC provides the first authoritative analysis of the historical pattern
| of the survival of astrological beliefs in western europe since 1700.
| the second half of the book deals with the swiss astrologer who was
| said to have been hitler's adviser, and the german astrological movement of
| the period 1919-1939, particularly in hitler's third reich after 1933.
|
| franz
-- This is quite new/s to me, as I know that Hitler used an astrologer,
and Churchill used one, too, to know what Hitler was advised to do.
Also, with the profound occult background of Hitler himself, and of the
Nazi movement (so much so, that they had an occult ministry), hard to
believe he didn't use it as a tool, beside others.
Dan

RM: It looks like we'll have to start gathering evidence that might
have some bearing on this question, and quote our sources:

(1) In the famous book "Rules for planetary pictures" 5th edition,
1959, ISBN 3-920807-00-6 the editor Ludwig Rudolph wrote in his
introduction:
"Only when the extermination of Astrology through the NAZIS failed and
they had lost their war, I asked Hermann Lefeldt to add the
interpretation of the 4 Sieggrun Trans-Neptunians and Pluto for the
IVth improvised edition of the "Rules for Planetary Pictures".

Ray
[Looking for more evidence]

[Dan Barkye]

"Ray Murphy" <***@chariot.net.au> wrote in message news:***@news.chariot.net.au...
|
| ----------
| In article <SZiad.14838$***@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
| "Dan Barkye" <***@nospamearthlink.net> wrote:
|
|
| >
| >"fi" <***@h3c.de> wrote in message
| >news:1ca12667hg0uo$***@tyche.h3c.de...
| >| ~6.10.04 7:27h, Dan Barkye wrote:
| >|
| >| > Churchill used astrology to counteract the astrological advices
| >| >given to Hitler by *his* astrologer.
| >|
| >| no. hitler did not believe in astrology. the britains used
astrology
| >for
| >| psychological warfare purposes against nazi-germany just as the
nazis
| >| used nostradamus for propaganda against france.
| >| for a detailled account see:
| >| ellic howe: urania's children. the strange world of astrologers.
| >(1967)
| >| UC provides the first authoritative analysis of the historical
pattern
| >| of the survival of astrological beliefs in western europe since
1700.
| >| the second half of the book deals with the swiss astrologer who was
| >| said to have been hitler's adviser, and the german astrological
movement of
| >| the period 1919-1939, particularly in hitler's third reich after
1933.
| >|
| >| franz
| >
| >-- This is quite new/s to me, as I know that Hitler used an
astrologer,
| >and Churchill used one, too, to know what Hitler was advised to do.
| >Also, with the profound occult background of Hitler himself, and of
the
| >Nazi movement (so much so, that they had an occult ministry), hard to
| >believe he didn't use it as a tool, beside others.
| >
| >Dan
|
| RM: It looks like we'll have to start gathering evidence that might
| have some bearing on this question, and quote our sources:
|
| (1) In the famous book "Rules for planetary pictures" 5th edition,
| 1959, ISBN 3-920807-00-6 the editor Ludwig Rudolph wrote in his
| introduction:
| "Only when the extermination of Astrology through the NAZIS failed and
| they had lost their war, I asked Hermann Lefeldt to add the
| interpretation of the 4 Sieggrun Trans-Neptunians and Pluto for the
| IVth improvised edition of the "Rules for Planetary Pictures".
|
| Ray
| [Looking for more evidence]

-- Ray, I wrote this from memory, from a long time ago. If I is mistaken
somehow, then _mea culpa_, sorry about that.
The extermination of astrology doesn't contradict the data I have, that
he used an astrologer. I'm too lazy to look for the source, but...
Hitler was an avowed occultist, educated in it by other German left-hand
(black magic) occultists of the beginning of the 20th century, namely
the infamous Tule Group.

Pls, by all means, look for other evidence and "educate" me. I'll
welcome it.

Dan

[Ray Murphy]

----------

Post by Dan Barkye
|
| ----------
|
|
| >
| >|
| >| > Churchill used astrology to counteract the astrological advices
| >| >given to Hitler by *his* astrologer.
| >|
| >| no. hitler did not believe in astrology. the britains used
astrology
| >for
| >| psychological warfare purposes against nazi-germany just as the
nazis
| >| used nostradamus for propaganda against france.
| >| ellic howe: urania's children. the strange world of astrologers.
| >(1967)
| >| UC provides the first authoritative analysis of the historical
pattern
| >| of the survival of astrological beliefs in western europe since
1700.
| >| the second half of the book deals with the swiss astrologer who was
| >| said to have been hitler's adviser, and the german astrological
movement of
| >| the period 1919-1939, particularly in hitler's third reich after
1933.
| >|
| >| franz
| >
| >-- This is quite new/s to me, as I know that Hitler used an
astrologer,
| >and Churchill used one, too, to know what Hitler was advised to do.
| >Also, with the profound occult background of Hitler himself, and of
the
| >Nazi movement (so much so, that they had an occult ministry), hard to
| >believe he didn't use it as a tool, beside others.
| >
| >Dan
|
| RM: It looks like we'll have to start gathering evidence that might
|
| (1) In the famous book "Rules for planetary pictures" 5th edition,
| 1959, ISBN 3-920807-00-6 the editor Ludwig Rudolph wrote in his
| "Only when the extermination of Astrology through the NAZIS failed and
| they had lost their war, I asked Hermann Lefeldt to add the
| interpretation of the 4 Sieggrun Trans-Neptunians and Pluto for the
| IVth improvised edition of the "Rules for Planetary Pictures".
|
| Ray
| [Looking for more evidence]
-- Ray, I wrote this from memory, from a long time ago. If I is mistaken
somehow, then _mea culpa_, sorry about that.
The extermination of astrology doesn't contradict the data I have, that
he used an astrologer. I'm too lazy to look for the source, but...
Hitler was an avowed occultist, educated in it by other German left-hand
(black magic) occultists of the beginning of the 20th century, namely
the infamous Tule Group.
Pls, by all means, look for other evidence and "educate" me. I'll
welcome it.
Dan

RM: Dan, I'm not attempting to argue against anything you've said
because I believe what you've put forward.
My small contribution of written evidence from one of the most
credible astrologers in Germany is merely painting a tiny bit of the
picture for us -- Astrology (for the people) was very unpopular with
the leadership in Germany during WWII.

Ray

[fi]

Post by Ray Murphy

Post by Dan Barkye
Hitler was an avowed occultist, educated in it by other German left-hand
(black magic) occultists of the beginning of the 20th century, namely
the infamous Tule Group.

Occult streams in the Nazi movement were encouraged by Hess and
especially by Himmler. But Hitler was not an occultist. He just used
everything fitting in his antisemitic hate scheme. He was pragmatist.

The story of Hitler's astrologer was spread by the German astrologer
Louis de Wohl in "The stars of war and peace". From jewish descent he
had managed his escape into the UK in 1935. He wanted to enlarge his
role as counterpart of Hitler's presumable astrologer...
See Ellic Howe's UC, which came out in the US as "Astrology: A Recent
History Including the Untold Story of Its Role in World War II".
More trustworthy material in James Webb: "The Occult Establishment" and
Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke "The Occult Roots of Nazism".

The is more stuff published, like Rüdiger Sünner: "Schwarze Sonne"
(Black Sun) oder Brigitte Hamann: "Hitlers Wien. Lehrjahre eines
Diktators" (Hitler's Vienna. Yeas as an apprentice of a dictator).
Only in German language.

Some stuff from the Net:
http://www.meta-religion.com/Esoterism/Astrology/into_the_twentieth_century.htm
http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/arcana/nazi.html
http://www.intelinet.org/swastika/swastika_intro.htm

Post by Ray Murphy
My small contribution of written evidence from one of the most
credible astrologers in Germany is merely painting a tiny bit of the
picture for us -- Astrology (for the people) was very unpopular with
the leadership in Germany during WWII.

Yes, indeed! After the flight of Hess to England there have been a lot
of razzias at astrologers. Many were imprisoned, their book were
confiscated. Astrological professionalism had been forbidden before.

franz

[g***@googlemail.com]

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There are loads of great documentaries on there, so I hope you find something of interest.