Discussion:
What indicates something being opened up?
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A B
2009-12-01 19:24:11 UTC
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I'm wrestling with another mundane chart at the moment, and have hit
something I don't seem to have come across before.
I'd like your opinions on what astrological factors might indicate the
opening or revealing of something that had been shut up for a long time.
Nothing metaphorical here, just quite literally opening something (an
underground chamber, to be precise) to reveal the hidden contents. The more
explanation you give, the better pleased I'll be!
Also, does anyone have any views on what might represent seeing something?
I know Hermes associates sight with fire signs.
Thanks,
A. B.
Kjell
2009-12-03 05:00:38 UTC
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Pluto is a chtonic god and ruler of the underground and everything
hidden there (and hidden things in general), so I would hazard a guess
on an aspect to Pluto. As it is some kind of intrusion into his realm,
a hard aspect feels more likely than a soft one. If the opening was
accidental and sudden, Uranus might be involved -- et cetera. The
manner in which the chamber was opened will decide what other planet/s
might have been involved.

The Sun and Moon rule the eyes, I think most say Sun is for the right
and the Moon for the left but it may be reversed with women. I think
Sagittarius is related to eye-sight, or at least poor vision, but
otherwise the eyes are in the head, ruled by Aries. If you google for
Ebertin's anatomical degrees you can get very precise information, as
every zodiacal degree is given a particular body part or function (or
vice versa, every part of your body given a degree). I have found them
to be amazingly accurate when trying to diagnos matters with myself,
but beyond that I do not have much experience with them. However, the
concept of 'Zodiacal Man' is ancient, and I figure there must be a
reason it has survived the ages.

If the Sun and Moon are involved, by rulership Leo/Cancer may be too.
I have never heard of that association though, I am just associating
what might work for sight-related matters.

Also, whenever it comes to bodily matters, the modern method of
equating sign and house is considered OK by the ancients as well. So
not only Aries, but also the first house is the head (though it is
also the entire body).

/Kjell

P.S.
If you are in to asteroids:
"Proserpina is a Main belt asteroid 95.1km in diameter, which was
discovered by R. Luther in 1853." / Wikipedia

As she was abducted by Pluto there is an association to passing
between the worlds. Long shot, but try it.
Post by A B
I'm wrestling with another mundane chart at the moment, and have hit
something I don't seem to have come across before.
I'd like your opinions on what astrological factors might indicate the
opening or revealing of something that had been shut up for a long time.
Nothing metaphorical here, just quite literally opening something (an
underground chamber, to be precise) to reveal the hidden contents.  The more
explanation you give, the better pleased I'll be!
Also, does anyone have any views on what might represent seeing something?
I know Hermes associates sight with fire signs.
Thanks,
A. B.
Hermes
2009-12-05 10:21:50 UTC
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Kjell wrote:

: The Sun and Moon rule the eyes, I think most say Sun is for the
right
: and the Moon for the left but it may be reversed with women. I think
: Sagittarius is related to eye-sight, or at least poor vision, but
: otherwise the eyes are in the head, ruled by Aries. If you google
for
: Ebertin's anatomical degrees you can get very precise information,
as
: every zodiacal degree is given a particular body part or function
(or
: vice versa, every part of your body given a degree). I have found
them
: to be amazingly accurate when trying to diagnos matters with myself,
: but beyond that I do not have much experience with them. However,
the
: concept of 'Zodiacal Man' is ancient, and I figure there must be a
: reason it has survived the ages.

I found something maybe interesting with regard to that
associatively: Orcus is according to Wikipedia apparently
maybe be a transliteration of Greek god Horkos or Horcus,
which, when I googled for it, I was asked, "Did you mean
Horus wikipedia?" by Google...

Wikipedia writes this about the falcon-headed Egyptian
god Horus:

* It became said that the sun was his right eye and the moon
* his left, and that they traversed the sky when he, a falcon,
* flew across it.
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus

Horus along Isis and Osiris are apparently Sirius, which
is conjuct my natal Orcus at about the middle of Cancer
in the 12th house. Sirius is a double star, with a bright
and a dim eye, a bit like sun and moon - even though that
only became visible once people had telescopes(!):

Photo of Sirius A and B, by Hubble Space Telescope
http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/html/heic0516a.html

With Mercury approaching Capricorn today, I think I
will leave it minimally at that as possible hints...

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Hermes
2009-12-03 21:50:35 UTC
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A B wrote:
: I'm wrestling with another mundane chart at the moment, and have
hit
: something I don't seem to have come across before.
: I'd like your opinions on what astrological factors might indicate
the
: opening or revealing of something that had been shut up for a long
time.
: Nothing metaphorical here, just quite literally opening something
(an
: underground chamber, to be precise) to reveal the hidden contents.
The more
: explanation you give, the better pleased I'll be!
: Also, does anyone have any views on what might represent seeing
something?

Kjell mentioned Pluto, the god of the underworld who's name
apparently means "wealth" in the sense of the treasures that
can be found below the surface.

If Pluto is not directly exposed, maybe Orcus (2004DW),
the Kuiper belt object discovered in 2004 at around 24 Leo
or siderally at the end of Cancer. Nick Antony Fiorenza
describes the sideral view in one of the most beautiful
astrological passages I know:

http://www.lunarplanner.com/asteroids-dwarfplanets/Orcus-Pluto.html

Scroll towards the end, to the passage that starts with
"At the time of discovery, Orcus was retrograde (from
Earth's perspective) in the last few degrees of sidereal
Cancer".

Let me just quote what he writes about Subra:

* Subra, marking the end of sidereal Cancer, is the paw
* of the Lion impressed in the desert sand. Subra is of
* prints, tracks, plans, codices and ancient maps--clues
* to hidden trails and paths obscured by the sands of time.
* Subra indicates a discovery process is at hand, one
* leading to the secret chambers, entryways, even to
* liftoff sites of the gods--places hidden from ordinary
* view. Simply, Subra asks that we dig, uncover, and find
* the way to navigate the passage of our Heart’s true desire.

But the the following passages should not be missed
either, at least in my romantic eye...

A good friend of mine has Jupiter in Leo, and he is very
good at finding things in nature, mushrooms in the woods
and crystals in the mountains, way better than me.

: I know Hermes associates sight with fire signs.

See magic carpets post (esp. part 1).

)o+
Kjell
2009-12-04 22:12:43 UTC
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Post by Hermes
If Pluto is not directly exposed, maybe Orcus (2004DW),
the Kuiper belt object discovered in 2004 at around 24 Leo
or siderally at the end of Cancer.
Interesting! I'm not really big on asteroids (in spite of my
recommendation above), but having the ruler of my chart at 24 LEO, I
just had to check the discovery chart of Orcus. Especially as this was
a rather special time, I was recovering from an ailment that almost
wrecked me. Anyhow, what I wanted to do was to give a link to the
discovery chart, in case anyone else should be interested in this
little fella.

http://www.horozcope.com/asteroids/index.php?langv=eng&act=info&nr=90482

/K
Hermes
2009-12-05 10:22:05 UTC
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Very cool site, horozcope.com, discovery charts of so
many asteroids - Thanks! :)

)o+
Hermes
2009-12-05 17:13:13 UTC
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Kjell wrote:

: On Dec 3, 10:50 pm, Hermes <***@bluewin.ch> wrote:
:
: > If Pluto is not directly exposed, maybe Orcus (2004DW),
: > the Kuiper belt object discovered in 2004 at around 24 Leo
: > or siderally at the end of Cancer.
:
: Interesting! I'm not really big on asteroids (in spite of my
: recommendation above), but having the ruler of my chart at 24 LEO, I
: just had to check the discovery chart of Orcus. Especially as this
was
: a rather special time, I was recovering from an ailment that almost
: wrecked me. Anyhow, what I wanted to do was to give a link to the
: discovery chart, in case anyone else should be interested in this
: little fella.
:
: http://www.horozcope.com/asteroids/index.php?langv=eng&act=info&nr=90482

I noticed one thing in the discovery chart: The AC is
at a sextile to both Pluto and Orcus, with Pluto below
the horizon and Orcus above, i.e. MC at the midpoint.

It may also be noteworthy that Orcus was photographed
after Eris (autumn 2003), but Eris was only seen much
later in analysis of the data.

In that sense, maybe Orcus is sort of a "diurnal" twin
to "nocturnal" Pluto, an opportunity (sextile) to maybe
compensate Pluto's loss of status (Eris is bigger) ?

Probably a little too far out to call now, I guess... ?

Orcus Ephemeris: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/2004dw.htm
Plutinos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutino

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Hermes
2009-12-28 22:52:30 UTC
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Post by Kjell
Post by Hermes
If Pluto is not directly exposed, maybe Orcus (2004DW),
the Kuiper belt object discovered in 2004 at around 24 Leo
or siderally at the end of Cancer.
Interesting! I'm not really big on asteroids (in spite of my
recommendation above), but having the ruler of my chart at 24 LEO, I
just had to check the discovery chart of Orcus. Especially as this was
a rather special time, I was recovering from an ailment that almost
wrecked me.
Seems to be a similar case on my side: No indication with
my chart ruler, but natal Orcus (15*55 Cancer) indicates the
Pancreas (=15-16 Cancer if I am reading this the right way, but
the previous one would have been a good fit for the strongest
acute symptoms, except luckily not really earnestly the last word).
As I discovered today after many hours of looking at my computer
tomography with a program called not astonishingly "OsiriX",
my Pancreas seems to have been dislocated and with it
maybe the melt and especially the relatively large artery from
the aorta along the Pankreas to the melt _makes some pretty
*awkward loops*_ at the height where I have most direct pain,
albeit rather hard to locate precisely, probably because it is quite
deep down...

Anyway, still have to show it to my doctor next week, to
make sure I was right; and the deeper reason for this stuff
seems to be in my literal inner asymmetry, which I would
most likely associate with Saturn in Libra, and would also
fit for the current square to Pluto, of course. Causing me
all kinds of strange pains and effect mainly on the left side
of my body (maybe also <=> south node firduria?), including
that typing with my left hand can be very bad and that I can
feel with anbody who cannot sleep (I can now again with
a sedative and a gel primarily marketed against varices).

I hope to be able to write more at a later time, looks like I
should recover from this, but I guess will take until summer
(which would again fit with south node firduria) to get really
fit again...

Thanks all for all the very helpful contributions, even if I
did not directly ask for that :)

Walk like an Egyptian... ;)

)o+
Post by Kjell
Anyhow, what I wanted to do was to give a link to the
discovery chart, in case anyone else should be interested in this
little fella.
http://www.horozcope.com/asteroids/index.php?langv=eng&act=info&nr=90482
/K
Kjell
2009-12-04 22:02:06 UTC
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I would add that the revealed contents of the chamber would also
influence the picture. If it contains religious artefacts, Jupiter, if
hermetic texts, Mercury, if the home of the Flintstones, the Moon, if
an underground river, Neptune. If the contents are mysterious and hard
to classify, Neptune again. Jewelry; Venus (and Moon for silver, Sun
for gold etc). Stuff made of iron; Mars.

What is difficult to pinpoint in what you ask for is "opening
something". On the top of my head (plus one day) I can think of no
sign, nor planet, with this particular symbolism. Well, Aries "opens"
the zodiac at spring, but that is way too farfetched to apply here.

/K
Post by A B
I'm wrestling with another mundane chart at the moment, and have hit
something I don't seem to have come across before.
I'd like your opinions on what astrological factors might indicate the
opening or revealing of something that had been shut up for a long time.
Nothing metaphorical here, just quite literally opening something (an
underground chamber, to be precise) to reveal the hidden contents.  The more
explanation you give, the better pleased I'll be!
Also, does anyone have any views on what might represent seeing something?
I know Hermes associates sight with fire signs.
Thanks,
A. B.
Hermes
2009-12-05 10:01:58 UTC
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A B wrote:

: I'm wrestling with another mundane chart at the moment, and have hit
: something I don't seem to have come across before.
: I'd like your opinions on what astrological factors might indicate
the
: opening or revealing of something that had been shut up for a long
time.
: Nothing metaphorical here, just quite literally opening something
(an
: underground chamber, to be precise) to reveal the hidden contents.
The more
: explanation you give, the better pleased I'll be!

I had been looking around many things and then looked
at the discovery chart of the tomb of Tutenchamun in
1992 by Howard Carter. Carter wrote in his diary:

* Saturday, November 4.
* First steps of tomb found.
* At about 10am I discovered beneath almost the first hut
* attacked the first traces of the entrance of the tomb
* (Tut.ankh.Amen) This comprised the first step of the
* N.E. corner (of the sunken-staircase).
-- http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/4sea1not.html

That puts the AC at 29 Sag 33', almost exactly where
Mercury is now (at 10:52 AM Swiss local time today).
Maybe that leads somewhere ?

)o+
A B
2009-12-07 19:27:24 UTC
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I thought I'd put the three answers together. It gets so muddly if there
are three separate lines of posts.
Post by Kjell
I would add that the revealed contents of the chamber would also
influence the picture. If it contains religious artefacts, Jupiter, if
hermetic texts, Mercury, if the home of the Flintstones, the Moon, if
an underground river, Neptune. If the contents are mysterious and hard
to classify, Neptune again. Jewelry; Venus (and Moon for silver, Sun
for gold etc). Stuff made of iron; Mars.
What is difficult to pinpoint in what you ask for is "opening
something". On the top of my head (plus one day) I can think of no
sign, nor planet, with this particular symbolism. Well, Aries "opens"
the zodiac at spring, but that is way too farfetched to apply here.
Same here! I can do the contents, the people doing the opening, even the
blockage of the opening (Saturn of course). It's the act of opening I can't
pin down, and I think it should be there somewhere. I'm not sure Aries is
so far-fetched, actually. After all, the first (Aries) house is also where
things rise, literally coming into view. Being crashingly literal seems to
be a good policy in mundane astrology. I've caught the 7th representing
things coming down, and the 9th things high in the sky! I've also seen one
or two astrology books connect Aries with rebirth, resurrection, which makes
some sense.
Post by Kjell
Are you trying to ask a horary question?
Nope, just a mundane chart, for an event. I could swear there's a special
name for an event chart, but I can't remember what. You couldn't enlighten
me, could you? Read on and you'll find out what the event was.
Post by Kjell
I had been looking around many things and then looked
at the discovery chart of the tomb of Tutenchamun in
* Saturday, November 4.
* First steps of tomb found.
* At about 10am I discovered beneath almost the first hut
* attacked the first traces of the entrance of the tomb
* (Tut.ankh.Amen) This comprised the first step of the
* N.E. corner (of the sunken-staircase).
-- http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/4sea1not.html
That puts the AC at 29 Sag 33', almost exactly where
Mercury is now (at 10:52 AM Swiss local time today).
Maybe that leads somewhere ?
All right, mystery over. It WAS Tutankamun's tomb I was doing - the 26th of
November, when they opened the antechamber and "saw wonderful things".
That's why I wanted associations with seeing - I always like to have a look
for the soundbite, it's surprising how often it's there.

Many thanks to everyone for all these suggestions!
A. B.
Hermes
2009-12-07 23:40:23 UTC
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A B wrote:

: All right, mystery over. It WAS Tutankamun's tomb I was doing - the
26th of
: November, when they opened the antechamber and "saw wonderful
things".
: That's why I wanted associations with seeing - I always like to have
a look
: for the soundbite, it's surprising how often it's there.
:
: Many thanks to everyone for all these suggestions!
: A. B.

Cool :), according to the link I indicated,

http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/4sea1not.html

that would have been at "about 2 pm", and the location
would be the valley of kings in Egypt. If I use Luxor
and a timezone of GMT+2 (hope that's correct), then...

***@twixntween.com wrote:

: In addition to the other very thoughtful replies you received, an
: underground chamber would be a 4th house matter. Thus, the ruler
: of the 4th, any planets therein, etc., would have to be closely
: examined. Its contents would be ruled by the 5th house.


Pluto (11*Can) conjunct IC (7*Can) in the 4th.
Neptune (18*Leo) in the 5th.
Moon (5*Pis) conjunct Uranus (10*Pis) in the 12th.
Sun (3*Sag) conjunct Venus (1*Sag) and Mercury (28*Sco)
in the 8th.
(Placidus houses.)

Kjell wrote:

: Pluto is a chtonic god and ruler of the underground and everything
: hidden there (and hidden things in general), so I would hazard a
guess
: on an aspect to Pluto. As it is some kind of intrusion into his
realm,
: a hard aspect feels more likely than a soft one. If the opening was
: accidental and sudden, Uranus might be involved -- et cetera. The
: manner in which the chamber was opened will decide what other planet/
s
: might have been involved.

Pluto (11*Can) at a square (as today) to Saturn (17*Lib)
in the 7th and at a trine to Uranus (10*Pis).

Learned at lot from that, thanks Yeshta(***@...)
and Kjell ! :)

I'd say illustrates Saturn (quite concrete specifics about
discovery charts) vs. my purely lucky guess(es)... ;)

Getting back to see/light: Maybe Saturn, just above the
horizon in the 7th, see the cover of Liz Greene's book
about Saturn, with Saturn carrying a light ?

http://www.amazon.de/gp/reader/0877283060/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link

)o+

--
http://www.google.com/profiles/alain.stalder.ch
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whatever@twixtntween.com
2009-12-08 03:13:55 UTC
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Post by Hermes
: All right, mystery over. It WAS Tutankamun's tomb I was doing - the
26th of
: November, when they opened the antechamber and "saw wonderful
things".
: That's why I wanted associations with seeing - I always like to have
a look
: for the soundbite, it's surprising how often it's there.
: Many thanks to everyone for all these suggestions!
: A. B.
Cool :), according to the link I indicated,
http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/4sea1not.html
that would have been at "about 2 pm", and the location
would be the valley of kings in Egypt. If I use Luxor
and a timezone of GMT+2 (hope that's correct), then...
: In addition to the other very thoughtful replies you received, an
: underground chamber would be a 4th house matter. Thus, the ruler
: of the 4th, any planets therein, etc., would have to be closely
: examined. Its contents would be ruled by the 5th house.
Pluto (11*Can) conjunct IC (7*Can) in the 4th.
Neptune (18*Leo) in the 5th.
Moon (5*Pis) conjunct Uranus (10*Pis) in the 12th.
Moon ruling the 4th conjunct Uranus sounds about right.
Post by Hermes
Sun (3*Sag) conjunct Venus (1*Sag) and Mercury (28*Sco)
in the 8th.
If the Sun rules the 5th, of course they'd be seeing the
belongings of a king's burial chamber. :-)
Post by Hermes
(Placidus houses.)
: Pluto is a chtonic god and ruler of the underground and everything
: hidden there (and hidden things in general), so I would hazard a
guess
: on an aspect to Pluto. As it is some kind of intrusion into his
realm,
: a hard aspect feels more likely than a soft one. If the opening was
: accidental and sudden, Uranus might be involved -- et cetera. The
: manner in which the chamber was opened will decide what other planet/
s
: might have been involved.
Pluto (11*Can) at a square (as today) to Saturn (17*Lib)
in the 7th and at a trine to Uranus (10*Pis).
and Kjell ! :)
Thank you, for giving some chart details! :-)

And, A.B., yes, it is called an Event chart. :-)
Post by Hermes
I'd say illustrates Saturn (quite concrete specifics about
discovery charts) vs. my purely lucky guess(es)... ;)
Getting back to see/light: Maybe Saturn, just above the
horizon in the 7th, see the cover of Liz Greene's book
about Saturn, with Saturn carrying a light ?
http://www.amazon.de/gp/reader/0877283060/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link
)o+
Hermes
2009-12-08 08:57:32 UTC
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***@twixtntween.com wrote:


: On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:40:23 -0600, Hermes <***@bluewin.ch>
: wrote:
:
:
:
: >A B wrote:
:
: >: All right, mystery over. It WAS Tutankamun's tomb I was doing -
the
: >26th of
: >: November, when they opened the antechamber and "saw wonderful
: >things".
: >: That's why I wanted associations with seeing - I always like to
have
: >a look
: >: for the soundbite, it's surprising how often it's there.
: >:
: >: Many thanks to everyone for all these suggestions!
: >: A. B.
:
: >Cool :), according to the link I indicated,
:
: > http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/4sea1not.html
:
: >that would have been at "about 2 pm", and the location
: >would be the valley of kings in Egypt. If I use Luxor
: >and a timezone of GMT+2 (hope that's correct), then...
:
: >***@twixntween.com wrote:
:
: >: In addition to the other very thoughtful replies you received, an
: >: underground chamber would be a 4th house matter. Thus, the ruler
: >: of the 4th, any planets therein, etc., would have to be closely
: >: examined. Its contents would be ruled by the 5th house.
:
: >Pluto (11*Can) conjunct IC (7*Can) in the 4th.
: >Neptune (18*Leo) in the 5th.
: >Moon (5*Pis) conjunct Uranus (10*Pis) in the 12th.
:
: Moon ruling the 4th conjunct Uranus sounds about right.
:
: >Sun (3*Sag) conjunct Venus (1*Sag) and Mercury (28*Sco)
: >in the 8th.
:
: If the Sun rules the 5th, of course they'd be seeing the
: belongings of a king's burial chamber. :-)
:
: >(Placidus houses.)
:
: >Kjell wrote:
:
: >: Pluto is a chtonic god and ruler of the underground and
everything
: >: hidden there (and hidden things in general), so I would hazard a
: >guess
: >: on an aspect to Pluto. As it is some kind of intrusion into his
: >realm,
: >: a hard aspect feels more likely than a soft one. If the opening
was
: >: accidental and sudden, Uranus might be involved -- et cetera. The
: >: manner in which the chamber was opened will decide what other
planet/
: >s
: >: might have been involved.
:
: >Pluto (11*Can) at a square (as today) to Saturn (17*Lib)
: >in the 7th and at a trine to Uranus (10*Pis).
:
: >Learned at lot from that, thanks Yeshta(***@...)
: >and Kjell ! :)
:
: Thank you, for giving some chart details! :-)


You're welcome!

: And, A.B., yes, it is called an Event chart. :-)
:
: >I'd say illustrates Saturn (quite concrete specifics about
: >discovery charts) vs. my purely lucky guess(es)... ;)
:
: >Getting back to see/light: Maybe Saturn, just above the
: >horizon in the 7th, see the cover of Liz Greene's book
: >about Saturn, with Saturn carrying a light ?
:
: > http://www.amazon.de/gp/reader/0877283060/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link
:
: >)o+


Some more chart details...

The part of fortune is conjunct Pluto/IC in the 4th.
And it is conjunct fixed star Sirius (c.f. Orcus-Horus).
Orcus itself is at 10 Taurus in the 1st, sextile Pluto.

And, in case someone missed it: Saturn is in Libra, as it is
today, and - as today - at a square to Pluto, in 1922 at an
"outgoing" square with Pluto in Cancer, today at an "incoming"
square with Pluto in Capricorn.

The idea to distinguish incoming/outcoming aspects is from
Charles Harvey (afaik):

* From seed to flower to fruit and back to seed again. The
* ground rule of Life is that all things abide in the One,
* proceed forth into manifestation and return back to the
* One again. This is the eternal return in all its variations
* which astrology so elegantly describes [...]. However [...]
* most astrologers continue, blind eyed, to interpret a 270*
* square like a 90* square, a 120* trine like a 240* trine
* and so on. To do this is to lose half the message that an
* aspect is giving us. Contrary to the way most astrologers
* still seem to work and think, life processes unfold
* themselves in cycles of 360* and not 180*.

Read on here:

Sun and Neptune through the Aspect Cycle
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sun_nep.html

)o+
Hermes
2009-12-09 00:20:34 UTC
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At the risk of carrying things maybe too far, but
while still hoping to provide interesting additional
angles, especially with respect also to some things
mentioned in the "amusing memory" thread that I am
trying to understand a little, the following:

26 Proserpina (5*Sag) conjunct Sun/Venus in 8th

The trinity of Osiris (father), Isis (mother) and
Horus (son) roughly occupies 3 of the 4 angles:

42 Isis (9*Can) conjunct IC/Pluto/Part of F. in 4th
1923 Osiris (2*Ari) conjuct AC/Lilith in 12th
1924 Horus (20*Lib) conjuct DC/Saturn in 7th

Tutanchamun, died at the age of about 8-10, so the
conjunction of Horus, the son, with Saturn (death)
seems a good correspondence, especially in Libra
and near the horizon (DC, dividing line between 7th
and 6th, resp. day => night), as follows...

The number 42 of asteroid Isis relates also to the
hall of Ma'at, between "the land of the living and
the kingdom of the dead", as Liz Greene writes in
_The Astrology of Fate_ (Weiser, 1984), about Libra.

The 42 questions to the dead that decided - correct
me if I am wrong, my knowledge here does not reach
very deep - about whether the soul was to be reborn;
symbolically as a feather that was weighed against
the sins/heart of the deceased...

Symbolically, to me, 42 and Libra are in many ways
a balance between Saturn (7th planet) and Jupiter
(6th planet), 42 = 7 x 6. The number 7/Saturn, the
planet exalted ("good guest") in Libra, is the point
at which the beam of the scale is attached, it is
perfectly rigid. The number 6/Jupiter is for the
opportunity (6-sextile) and freedom of the movement
of the beam and scale pans that the deceased has in
this short time span after death: Rebirth or not,
two different fates that are in Greek mythology
represented by the 3 Fates, i.e. 6 = 3 + 3.

(Of course, in the end I am making heavy use of my
associative methods, see "magic carpets" posts.)

At any rate, in my personal view, most of this thread
illustrates how much of astrology is art. Coming from
the chart, all these possible placements make lots of
sense, but coming from the other side, from the
original ridddle, is far more difficult, and I guess
minimal Saturnine methods are more likely to convince
sceptics in the end... Or something like that :)

)o+
A B
2009-12-10 20:13:25 UTC
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Just time to say thanks very much to everyone. I didn't notice half the
things you mentioned at all! I don't usually get round to the part of
fortune, for instance, so didn't notice its very striking position in this
case. Not to mention Sirius being there too. Sirius was the most important
star in Egyptian religion/magic. Anyway, I'll go into this further some
other time.
A. B.
Hermes
2009-12-24 11:56:30 UTC
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Post by A B
Just time to say thanks very much to everyone. I didn't notice half the
things you mentioned at all! I don't usually get round to the part of
fortune, for instance, so didn't notice its very striking position in this
case. Not to mention Sirius being there too. Sirius was the most important
star in Egyptian religion/magic. Anyway, I'll go into this further some
other time.
A. B.
For later reference, here is a chart drawing, which should
contain at least most of the mentioned objects and points:

Loading Image...

(at the "aamod" yahoo group under the charts/events category)

)o+


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Hermes
2009-12-24 17:25:01 UTC
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For later reference, here is a chart drawing, which should
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kC0zS7qs0g3MI3AWeeuWU_cxrZ0p2gBKdoDsINRk...
(at the "aamod" yahoo group under the charts/events category)
)o+
The link did not work for the moderator, but it is possible to go to the y-group and check directly if it does not work.
Sorry, here is a link to the same image that should be public
and persistent:

Direct link to full scale chart image:
Loading Image...

My "aamod" picasa web album (only one chart so far...):
http://picasaweb.google.com/alain.stalder.ch/Aamod#

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A B
2009-12-28 20:52:16 UTC
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Thanks for the chart drawing Hermes! I'll have a look at that as soon as I
have time.
A. B.
Hermes
2009-12-30 15:52:10 UTC
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Post by A B
Thanks for the chart drawing Hermes! I'll have a look at that as soon as I
have time.
A. B.
No hurry at all from my side, nor any obligation whatsoever! (of
course)
It's also not like Tutenchamun was much in a hurry to be
found by treasure hunters...

)o+
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details regarding me, but with Mercury retrograde, I guess I
better wait until the fog eventually clears up.......)
Hermes
2010-01-16 12:03:47 UTC
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Post by Hermes
(PS: My post yesterday was maybe a bit too early with exact
details regarding me, but with Mercury retrograde, I guess I
better wait until the fog eventually clears up.......)
The fog has cleaned up: As it turns out, there are 3-5 different
things regarding my health, depending how exactly you count, all of
them of an immediate physical/literal nature that have been confirmed
with different medical methods. Practically all of them by themselves
alone would have been something medium or less, and all can usually be
healed to a large degree with proper care, but together they brought
me quite down and it might take up to a year or so of slow careful
progress to get close to being fully fit again, but so far I am
confident. What helps a lot at least for about two hours afterwards,
is swimming, which I would also relate to my Saturn/Cheiron in late
Pisces and hence also with Uranus conjunct Cheiron now (as a Leo sun I
have never been much of a swimmer). I can see more things, like e.g
the current Saturn-Pluto square which likely has made things more
dramatic and urgent, my stellion in Cancer in the 12th lead by Jupiter
which probably made it possible to carry on so many things without
much trouble for years (and is at the s.node now), and last, but in my
feeling probably most signifantly, my south node firdaria until this
August... In tht sense, "forget yourself and just move on step by
step", I guess, then maybe the "magic pearl" will slowly reappear...

Of course, as always for me, much easier to see correlations after the
facts, and a more detailed look at the individual diseases and their
timing would certainly be possible, but maybe some other time...

Thanks again everybody,

)o+
whatever@twixtntween.com
2009-12-05 23:53:02 UTC
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Post by A B
I'm wrestling with another mundane chart at the moment, and have hit
something I don't seem to have come across before.
I'd like your opinions on what astrological factors might indicate the
opening or revealing of something that had been shut up for a long time.
Nothing metaphorical here, just quite literally opening something (an
underground chamber, to be precise) to reveal the hidden contents. The more
In addition to the other very thoughtful replies you received, an
underground chamber would be a 4th house matter. Thus, the ruler
of the 4th, any planets therein, etc., would have to be closely
examined. Its contents would be ruled by the 5th house.
Post by A B
explanation you give, the better pleased I'll be!
Also, does anyone have any views on what might represent seeing something?
Are you trying to ask a horary question?
Post by A B
I know Hermes associates sight with fire signs.
Thanks,
A. B.
Edmond H. Wollmann
2010-01-14 14:56:23 UTC
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Post by A B
I'm wrestling with another mundane chart at the moment, and have hit
something I don't seem to have come across before.
I'd like your opinions on what astrological factors might indicate the
opening or revealing of something that had been shut up for a long time.
Nothing metaphorical here, just quite literally opening something (an
underground chamber, to be precise) to reveal the hidden contents. The more
explanation you give, the better pleased I'll be!
Also, does anyone have any views on what might represent seeing something?
I know Hermes associates sight with fire signs.
Thanks,
A. B.
Uranus opens things up or reveals.
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Hermes
2010-01-16 12:04:44 UTC
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Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Post by A B
I'm wrestling with another mundane chart at the moment, and have hit
something I don't seem to have come across before.
I'd like your opinions on what astrological factors might indicate the
opening or revealing of something that had been shut up for a long time.
Nothing metaphorical here, just quite literally opening something (an
underground chamber, to be precise) to reveal the hidden contents. The more
explanation you give, the better pleased I'll be!
Also, does anyone have any views on what might represent seeing something?
I know Hermes associates sight with fire signs.
Thanks,
A. B.
Uranus opens things up or reveals.
Yes, Uranus had been mentioned as a guess before (by Kjell), and as it
turned out later in the thread,

A.B. on December 7th:
: All right, mystery over. It WAS Tutankamun's tomb I was doing - the
26th of
: November, when they opened the antechamber and "saw wonderful
things".
: That's why I wanted associations with seeing - I always like to have
a look
: for the soundbite, it's surprising how often it's there.

Uranus was certainly not unrelated to that event (conjunct moon as
ruler of the 4th, and at a close trine to Pluto, which was conjunct
*many* things then...).

Once more a link to the chart with most mentioned connections plotted:

Loading Image...&usg=AFQjCNGX1iyxfFfdGZ-ZJEnUEjXQVZAoRw

This is actually one of my favorite threads... :)

)o+
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Edmond H. Wollmann
2010-01-22 09:39:26 UTC
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Post by Hermes
Post by Edmond H. Wollmann
Post by A B
I'm wrestling with another mundane chart at the moment, and have hit
something I don't seem to have come across before.
I'd like your opinions on what astrological factors might indicate the
opening or revealing of something that had been shut up for a long time.
Nothing metaphorical here, just quite literally opening something (an
underground chamber, to be precise) to reveal the hidden contents. The more
explanation you give, the better pleased I'll be!
Also, does anyone have any views on what might represent seeing something?
I know Hermes associates sight with fire signs.
Thanks,
A. B.
Uranus opens things up or reveals.
Yes, Uranus had been mentioned as a guess before (by Kjell), and as it
turned out later in the thread,
: All right, mystery over. It WAS Tutankamun's tomb I was doing - the
26th of
: November, when they opened the antechamber and "saw wonderful
things".
: That's why I wanted associations with seeing - I always like to have
a look
: for the soundbite, it's surprising how often it's there.
Uranus was certainly not unrelated to that event (conjunct moon as
ruler of the 4th, and at a close trine to Pluto, which was conjunct
*many* things then...).
http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://lh6.ggpht.com/_M_Yn4lKv3Dw/SzNuVQTdJbI/AAAAAAAAAWM/L-CaU4Qa50U/king-tut-antechamber-opening.gif&usg=AFQjCNGX1iyxfFfdGZ-ZJEnUEjXQVZAoRw
This is actually one of my favorite threads... :)
)o+
Got into it a bit late I guess:-)
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