Anaretic degree

[c***@hotmail.com]

Hi All,
In another site I saw an astro. post that mentioned the importance and
influence of the anaretic degree.
I've never heard this term before. The site to De Vore's Encyclopedia
is down so I couldn't check.
What is its source? Traditional, Magi, Uranic astrology?
Is it one particular degree of the zodiac? What does it mean and what,
exactly, is its influence ?

Regards,
Christine.

[Has]

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Hi All,
In another site I saw an astro. post that mentioned the importance and
influence of the anaretic degree.
I've never heard this term before. The site to De Vore's Encyclopedia
is down so I couldn't check.
What is its source? Traditional, Magi, Uranic astrology?
Is it one particular degree of the zodiac? What does it mean and what,
exactly, is its influence ?
Regards,
Christine.

The last degree (29) of any sign.

-Has

[Ruth]

Post by Has

Post by c***@hotmail.com
Hi All,
In another site I saw an astro. post that mentioned the importance and
influence of the anaretic degree.
I've never heard this term before. The site to De Vore's Encyclopedia
is down so I couldn't check.
What is its source? Traditional, Magi, Uranic astrology?
Is it one particular degree of the zodiac? What does it mean and what,
exactly, is its influence ?
Regards,
Christine.

The last degree (29) of any sign.
-Has

It is also known as the Degree of Fate. It goes back to ancient times
and has fallen into disuse because modern astrologers are unable to put
a cheery spin on its association with misery, death and destruction,
and most of us don't tell people when they are going to die. The
Anareta, which can be any malefic planet, the ruler of the 8th, or a
planet placed in the 8th house, has to do with death, in contrast to
the Hyleg, also ancient, the Giver of Life...

Ruth

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Post by Ruth

Post by Has

Post by c***@hotmail.com
Hi All,
In another site I saw an astro. post that mentioned the importance and
influence of the anaretic degree.
I've never heard this term before. The site to De Vore's Encyclopedia
is down so I couldn't check.
What is its source? Traditional, Magi, Uranic astrology?
Is it one particular degree of the zodiac? What does it mean and what,
exactly, is its influence ?
Regards,
Christine.

The last degree (29) of any sign.
-Has

It is also known as the Degree of Fate. It goes back to ancient times
and has fallen into disuse because modern astrologers are unable to put
a cheery spin on its association with misery, death and destruction,
and most of us don't tell people when they are going to die. The
Anareta, which can be any malefic planet, the ruler of the 8th, or a
planet placed in the 8th house, has to do with death, in contrast to
the Hyleg, also ancient, the Giver of Life...
Ruth

Thanks, Ruth.
Would that mean that any planet as you mentioned them above is actually
on the 29th degree of a sign elsewhere? Or the planet in the 8th house
is on the 29th degree? Or if said planet(s) reached the 29th degree of
any sign by transit or progression, this could be considered a
difficult time for the person concerned? Or would that only be valid
if, from such a position, an aspect to another planet was made?

In the school of astrological thought I was taught, the 29th degree was
considered an examination degree and the planet on it the subject for
which the exam was to be taken :-)

Regards,
Christine.

[Ruth]

Post by Ruth

Hi All, In another site I saw an astro. post that mentioned
the importance and influence of the anaretic degree. I've
never heard this term before. The site to De Vore's
Encyclopedia is down so I couldn't check. What is its source?
Traditional, Magi, Uranic astrology? Is it one particular
degree of the zodiac? What does it mean and what, exactly, is
its influence ?
Regards, Christine.

The last degree (29) of any sign. -Has

It is also known as the Degree of Fate. It goes back to ancient
times and has fallen into disuse because modern astrologers are
unable to put a cheery spin on its association with misery, death
and destruction, and most of us don't tell people when they are
going to die. The Anareta, which can be any malefic planet, the
ruler of the 8th, or a planet placed in the 8th house, has to do
with death, in contrast to the Hyleg, also ancient, the Giver of
Life...
Ruth

Thanks, Ruth. Would that mean that any planet as you mentioned them
above is actually on the 29th degree of a sign elsewhere? Or the
planet in the 8th house is on the 29th degree? Or if said planet(s)
reached the 29th degree of any sign by transit or progression, this
could be considered a difficult time for the person concerned? Or
would that only be valid if, from such a position, an aspect to
another planet was made?

One way or another this degree would have to be involved, whether
natally or by transit or progression, as far as I know; I am not an
expert in medieval astrology. My understanding is that the ruler of
8th need not necessarily occupy an Anaretic degree per se, natally, in
order to qualify as Anareta, but that it must aspect such a degree at
some point to fulfill its portent of doom. Could somebody else verify
this?

In the school of astrological thought I was taught, the 29th degree
was considered an examination degree and the planet on it the
subject for which the exam was to be taken :-)

That view of it would certainly soften the mayhem and misery formerly
associated with it :-)

Ruth

[LibraLove]

This seems like a fairly good explanation and consequetive buttons at
the bottom describe the planets at 29 deg:

http://karma.astrology.com/anaretic.html

[LibraLove]

BTW:

I think these 29 degree planets work well with Progressed positions as
well. I have a male friend who has his P. Venus at 29 Cancer while I
have my P. Mars at 29 Virgo and it is moving into 0 Libra as I write
this. His P. Venus will be at 0 Leo shortly.

The 29th degree by progression seems to coincide with "crisis" and
frequenly big changes brought on by crisis when they are in the chart
by Sec. Progs. or SADs. Also in SRs they are powerful and more
marriages and divorces occur in years when there are lots of 29's or
0's says Connie Cummings and I agree.

Best regards -- LL

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LibraLove
[..]
This seems like a fairly good explanation and consequetive buttons at
the bottom describe the planets at 29 deg:

http://karma.astrology.com/anaretic.html

..............

Thanks LL. Looks good. I'll give it a read.

Regards,
Christine.

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Post by c***@hotmail.com
Hi All,
In another site I saw an astro. post that mentioned the importance and
influence of the anaretic degree.
I've never heard this term before. The site to De Vore's Encyclopedia
is down so I couldn't check.
What is its source? Traditional, Magi, Uranic astrology?
Is it one particular degree of the zodiac? What does it mean and what,
exactly, is its influence ?
Regards,
Christine.

I've seen two ways of defining "anaretic" and "anaretic degree."

The term "anaretic" comes from "anairetes" (ancient Greek), which means
"destroyer" or "that which kills."

The original use of this term in astrology refers to a malefic which
aspects the hyleg, or a planet which unfavorably aspects the hyleg. I
believe it was (is still?) used in determining the expected length of
life, and perhaps also the cause of death.

The modern use of this term has absolutely no connection with its
original meaning, and as such *might* be deemed erroneous or mistaken--
like taking the word "dog" and deciding that it refers to a particular
kind of rock, then convincing most of the world that this is the
correct meaning of "dog," until most everyone eventually forgets that
"dog" ever meant anything else! Anyway, the "modern" meaning of
"anaretic degree" is the last or 30th degree of a sign. (It is usually
referred to as "the 29th degree," since it runs from 29:00 to 29:59,
but if we keep in mind that the *1st* degree of a sign runs from 0:00
to 0:59, then we see that the last degree is the 30th, not the 29th.
(For comparison, your first year of life was from your birth up to your
first birthday, or the year during which you were "0 years, x months,
and y days old.")

Of course, even though the term "anaretic degree" is being misused in
modern astrology, and the so-called "anaretic degree" is really the
30th degree rather than the 29th degree, that doesn't mean the last
degree has no significance, just that the name being given to it is
technically incorrect. :-)

Another idea that's somewhat related to the so-called "anaretic degree"
is the planet of highest degree, sometimes called the "void of course"
planet, because it's the last planet which will be aspected (using the
aspects which are multiples of 30 degrees) before the aspecting planet
leaves a sign and enters the next sign.

Michael Rideout

[c***@hotmail.com]

SeaGtGr
[..]

, the "modern" meaning of
"anaretic degree" is the last or 30th degree of a sign. (It is usually
referred to as "the 29th degree," since it runs from 29:00 to 29:59,
but if we keep in mind that the *1st* degree of a sign runs from 0:00
to 0:59, then we see that the last degree is the 30th, not the 29th.
(For comparison, your first year of life was from your birth up to your

first birthday, or the year during which you were "0 years, x months,
and y days old.")

Of course, even though the term "anaretic degree" is being misused in
modern astrology, and the so-called "anaretic degree" is really the
30th degree rather than the 29th degree, that doesn't mean the last
degree has no significance, just that the name being given to it is
technically incorrect. :-)
....................

CHR. I always have to stop and think about such before attempting a
reply to you :-))
A planet is 1* by the time it has passed 0*59' 60"?
Similarly a planet reaches the 29th degree after it has passed 28*59'
60", doesn't it ?
So the last degree of the sign is 29*00 to 29*59' 60"?.
There is no 30th degree as such, only the final second that makes up
the complete sign to amount to 30*? Once we're saying 30*00' 01" we are
actually talking of the first second of the following sign. Aren't we ?

Regards,
Christine.

...............
Another idea that's somewhat related to the so-called "anaretic degree"

is the planet of highest degree, sometimes called the "void of course"
planet, because it's the last planet which will be aspected (using the
aspects which are multiples of 30 degrees) before the aspecting planet
leaves a sign and enters the next sign.


Michael Rideout

[CFA]

Post by c***@hotmail.com
Once we're saying 30*00' 01" we are
actually talking of the first second of the following sign. Aren't we ?

Right. The first degree is 0:00 to 0:59, so the 30th is 29:00+

Ken

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Post by CFA

Post by c***@hotmail.com
Once we're saying 30*00' 01" we are
actually talking of the first second of the following sign. Aren't we ?

Right. The first degree is 0:00 to 0:59, so the 30th is 29:00+
Ken
--
cfa at alt dot net

AH; I get it!
0 =1
1= 2
2=3, etc,etc.
28=29 and 29=30.

You can only have a fictional zero degree of a sign....or should that
be factual 30th
degree :-))

Regards,
Christine

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Post by c***@hotmail.com

Post by CFA

Post by c***@hotmail.com
Once we're saying 30*00' 01" we are
actually talking of the first second of the following sign. Aren't we ?

Right. The first degree is 0:00 to 0:59, so the 30th is 29:00+
Ken
--
cfa at alt dot net

AH; I get it!
0 =1
1= 2
2=3, etc,etc.
28=29 and 29=30.
You can only have a fictional zero degree of a sign....or should that
be factual 30th
degree :-))
Regards,
Christine

Well, that's sort of right. I admit that it's confusing, so I'll try
one more stab at explaining it.

Suppose you start a new job. Today is the day you are supposed to
start. So today is your first day on the job, right?

Okay, so now comes the trick question: If today is your first day on
the job, and if your work day is only half over, how many days have you
been working at your new job?

If you said "One day," you're wrong. You've been at your new job for
"zero-and-a-half" days. If your work day is 8 hours long, then you've
been at your new job for "0 days and 4 hours."

Does that make sense? It should, especially since it's the way we
measure the degrees and minutes and seconds of the signs: "Zero
degrees, four minutes, and fifty-two seconds," for example.

And yet, today is not your "zeroeth day" at your new job, it is your
"first day"!

So, for example, if the Sun were at 0 degrees, 4 minutes, and 52
seconds of Aries, then we would say that the Sun is in the first degree
of Aries.

Likewise, if the Sun were at 29 degrees and 38 minutes of Pisces, we
would say that the Sun is in the thirtieth degree of Pisces-- which, of
course, is the last degree of Pisces, since each sign has 30 degrees.

Isn't math fun? :-)

Michael Rideout

[l***@yahoo.com]

Actually, come to think of it, I would still be counting 00:00:01 of
Aries to 29:60:59. And the person would have been working 0.5 of the
1st day and the BCE is where we start counting. LOL!

[l***@yahoo.com]

Makes perfect sense? (rolling eyes around) But maybe this is because
you are counting 1 through 30 and I am counting 0 through 29?
Afterall, 00:00:01 Aries does exist (doesn't it?).

I am amazed when I talk to high level math guys at cocktail parties.
LOL They will tell you that math is not a science, only a tool of
science, and it can be very abstract. In fact there is a graduate level
math course called, "Abstract math" like abstract painting, it is
pretty wild and free... and not like you ever learned in school.

http://us.metamath.org/

I wish I has studied more math -- like astrology it is such a cool
language!

I love to do numerology and make all the 9's dissappear. :))

[c***@hotmail.com]

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[..]

So, for example, if the Sun were at 0 degrees, 4 minutes, and 52
seconds of Aries, then we would say that the Sun is in the first degree

of Aries.

Likewise, if the Sun were at 29 degrees and 38 minutes of Pisces, we
would say that the Sun is in the thirtieth degree of Pisces-- which, of

course, is the last degree of Pisces, since each sign has 30 degrees.
......................

CHR: What's this ' we' talk :-)
YOU may think to say it that way, but to me there is a 0+ degree up to
and including 29+ degrees, making up 30 degrees of a sign.
But I do know what you mean :-)

So; should the number of the anaretic degree now be altered in modern
text books ?
.............................

Isn't math fun? :-)

CHR: I can't even do the math the children here are learning at junior
school! No more memorised tables of numbers (calculators do 5 x 8), and
subtracting the bottom number from the higher top number, 'borrowing 10
and paying it back' if necessary. They subtract the thousands from each
other, the hundreds, the tens and the singles, then ADD up each of the
individual parts to get the answer....or something like that ! I get
stuck when I have to subtract 288 from 452 :-)

Regards,
Christine.

[LibraLove]

Post by c***@hotmail.com
SeaGtGr
[..]
, the "modern" meaning of
"anaretic degree" is the last or 30th degree of a sign. (It is usually
referred to as "the 29th degree," since it runs from 29:00 to 29:59,
but if we keep in mind that the *1st* degree of a sign runs from 0:00
to 0:59, then we see that the last degree is the 30th, not the 29th.
(For comparison, your first year of life was from your birth up to your
first birthday, or the year during which you were "0 years, x months,
and y days old.")
Of course, even though the term "anaretic degree" is being misused in
modern astrology, and the so-called "anaretic degree" is really the
30th degree rather than the 29th degree, that doesn't mean the last
degree has no significance, just that the name being given to it is
technically incorrect. :-)
....................
CHR. I always have to stop and think about such before attempting a
reply to you :-))
A planet is 1* by the time it has passed 0*59' 60"?
Similarly a planet reaches the 29th degree after it has passed 28*59'
60", doesn't it ?
So the last degree of the sign is 29*00 to 29*59' 60"?.
There is no 30th degree as such, only the final second that makes up
the complete sign to amount to 30*? Once we're saying 30*00' 01" we are
actually talking of the first second of the following sign. Aren't we ?

I vote for this version for the anaretic degree also myself, since my
astro software switches the planet from 29'59' of a sign right over to
0'00' of the following sign, I have noticed.

LL

Post by c***@hotmail.com
Regards,
Christine.
...............
Another idea that's somewhat related to the so-called "anaretic degree"
is the planet of highest degree, sometimes called the "void of course"
planet, because it's the last planet which will be aspected (using the
aspects which are multiples of 30 degrees) before the aspecting planet
leaves a sign and enters the next sign.
Michael Rideout

[Richard Nolle]

. . . <snip>Anyway, the "modern" meaning of
"anaretic degree" is the last or 30th degree of a sign. (It is usually
referred to as "the 29th degree," since it runs from 29:00 to 29:59,
but if we keep in mind that the *1st* degree of a sign runs from 0:00
to 0:59, then we see that the last degree is the 30th, not the 29th.
(For comparison, your first year of life was from your birth up to your
first birthday, or the year during which you were "0 years, x months,
and y days old.")

This is a fine example of the distinction between cardinal and ordinal
numbers. Cardinal numbers are integers signifying quantity: 0, 1, 2, 3, etc.
Ordinal numbers are positions in a sequence: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. The first
year of life, as you note, runs from birth to the first birthday; from 0 to
1 as it were: by the time you hit one, you're into the second year; i.e. the
ordinal number equals the cardinal number plus one. (0 to 1 = 1st = 0+1; 29
to 30 = 30th = 29+1, etc.) .Likewise the first degree of a sign extends from
0d0'00" to 1d0'00" and the 30th degree from 29d0'01" to 29d59'59" . . . the
1st is from 0 to 1, the 2nd from 1 to 2, the 30th from 29 to 30, etc.

--
Richard

http://www.astropro.com/
phone/fax = 480-753-6261

"Astrology is about time . . . what else is there?"

[kjelleman]

I have nothing more to add to what's already been written than that I
read the last degree isn't "anaretic" in Leo, which would be due to the
placement of Regulus at that degree.

Should I speculate alittle perhaps the Moon isn't so bad in the last
degrees of Sagittarius and Pisces, respectively, as she is said not to
go void of course there, but that's just a personal guess which would
need to be corroborated by evidence.

I wonder also whether a planet in its own sign is "anaretic" when in
the last degree. After all, it IS in charge. Then again, just about to
loose it... -- hm, and perhaps it's no good for the sign to have its
ruler there? Ah, questions, questions... :-)

/Kjell

Post by c***@hotmail.com
Hi All,
In another site I saw an astro. post that mentioned the importance and
influence of the anaretic degree.
I've never heard this term before. The site to De Vore's Encyclopedia
is down so I couldn't check.
What is its source? Traditional, Magi, Uranic astrology?
Is it one particular degree of the zodiac? What does it mean and what,
exactly, is its influence ?
Regards,
Christine.

[Dan Barkye]

"kjelleman" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:***@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

[...]

"Should I speculate alittle perhaps the Moon isn't so bad in the last
degrees of Sagittarius and Pisces, respectively, as she is said not to
go void of course there, but that's just a personal guess which would
need to be corroborated by evidence."

-- Is Mo devoided of Void of Course being in the last degrees of
Sagittarius and Pisces? I just never heard of it.

Dan

[kjelleman]

Not only there, but Taurus and Cancer too if we are to take Lilly's
word for it.

"All manner of matters go hardly on (except the principal significators
be very strong) when the Moon is void of course; yet somewhat she
performs if void of course, and be either in Taurus, Cancer,
Sagittarius or Pisces". *

Then again, he doesn't say she is not NOT void of course, it seems he
is rather saying she's not so much void of course!

/Kjell


_________________
* Author: Lilly
Source: http://www.sacred-texts.com/astro/aia/aia22.htm

Post by Dan Barkye
[...]
"Should I speculate alittle perhaps the Moon isn't so bad in the last
degrees of Sagittarius and Pisces, respectively, as she is said not to
go void of course there, but that's just a personal guess which would
need to be corroborated by evidence."
-- Is Mo devoided of Void of Course being in the last degrees of
Sagittarius and Pisces? I just never heard of it.
Dan

[Chris Mitchell]

Post by kjelleman
I have nothing more to add to what's already been written than that I
read the last degree isn't "anaretic" in Leo, which would be due to the
placement of Regulus at that degree.

That's an interesting theory, but would only apply for a relatively
short period of time. Regulus will move into Virgo in the next decade,
and was at 25 Leo in the 17th century.

I don't know its history, but I've heard that one theory that it's
because 29 degrees of any sign is in the terms of Saturn or Mars.
Terms are a thoroughly illogical medieval system whose origins are
lost in the mists of time - the ancient Greeks seem to have inherited
them from the Egyptians, and Ptolemy didn't like them because they
didn't make sense. So he derived a completely different set of terms,
which also didn't make sense!

Whether you look at Ptolemy's terms or the older Egyptian terms, the
last few degrees of each sign is in the terms of Mars or Saturn. Since
these planets got a bad rap in medieval astrology (quite a few modern
astrologers seem a bit down on Saturn, too, though I happen to love
mine), the final degree was seen as a bit dodgy too. This can't be the
full story, though - 28-29 of any sign is also in the terms of
Mars/Saturn.

[kjelleman]

Post by Chris Mitchell

Post by kjelleman
I have nothing more to add to what's already been written than that I
read the last degree isn't "anaretic" in Leo, which would be due to the
placement of Regulus at that degree.

That's an interesting theory, but would only apply for a relatively
short period of time. Regulus will move into Virgo in the next decade,
and was at 25 Leo in the 17th century.

Yup. I've thought about that too. I think Regulus in the last degree of
Leo would be like 1940--2012 or something like that, and such an idea
doesn't "feel" like it's from modern astrology. Though I couldn't say
where it's from, it was just mentioned in passing on a web page.

Post by Chris Mitchell
I don't know its history, but I've heard that one theory that it's
because 29 degrees of any sign is in the terms of Saturn or Mars.

Mars is well placed in Leo, might be it? Its domain would be better
because of that?

Then again, Saturn is well placed in Libra, for instance, and I have a
distinct memory it was ONLY in Leo the anaretic degree wasn't anaretic.

[---]

Post by Chris Mitchell
This can't be the
full story, though - 28-29 of any sign is also in the terms of
Mars/Saturn.

They're bad too, but noone told us? ;-)

/Kjell

[Chris Mitchell]

Post by kjelleman
Mars is well placed in Leo, might be it? Its domain would be better
because of that?
Then again, Saturn is well placed in Libra, for instance, and I have a
distinct memory it was ONLY in Leo the anaretic degree wasn't anaretic.

I would think that Mars in Leo is pretty good, but I'm looking at it
from a modern perspective. Traditionally, Mars has no essential
dignity in Leo - it's not in rulership or exaltation there. At 29
degrees Leo, Mars is in its own term and face, but these are minor
dignities and wouldn't justify breaking the rules for :)

The traditional view of Leo, and indeed lions, is not the same as
ours. We tend to see lions as magnificent powerful creatures to be
admired - "king of the jungle". We associate Leo with the 5th house
(as it's the fifth sign), and therefore with creativity and children.

In traditional astrology, Leo is considered terrifying - lions tore
human beings to shreds and terrorised villages - and certainly not the
sort of sign you'd want associated with kids! Leo is a "barren" sign -
so no association with children there - and a "feral" sign -
terrifying and fierce.

[c***@hotmail.com]

Anybody know if the nodes are also included and what it would mean?
E.g. My NN is on the 29th degree in the 11th house conjunct 8th house
ruler on one side and Pluto on the other !

Does that mean that my independent side and/or my transformation is
going to be the death of me :- ))

Regards,
Christine.