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Queen Beatrix Abdicates
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Todd Carnes
2013-01-28 21:25:32 UTC
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I know Kjell has been following this royal family for a while now...

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch Queen Beatrix, who turns 75 on Thursday, announced she was abdicating in favor of her son, Prince Willem-Alexander, telling her country it was time to hand the crown to the next generation after more than three decades on the throne.

Willem-Alexander, 45, who will be sworn in as king on April 30, is married to Princess Maxima, who comes from Argentina, and has three young children.


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Kjell Pettersson
2013-02-03 16:52:09 UTC
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Thank you for bringing this to attention. I thought about making a chart for the announcement, but decided that the most important time would be actual succession in April.

However, should anyone want to look into the chart for the public statement, it seems it was made at 19.00, Dutch time, on the 28th of January.* I believe, however, such a chart would mostly be relevant for questions concerning how the public receives the news and such.

/Kjell

* "The 75-year-old monarch made the announcement live on TV a few minutes ago, at 7pm local time" according to an article at http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/28/queen-beatrix-of-the-netherlands-abdicates.html, which seems to be posted at eleven minutes past the hour.
Post by Todd Carnes
I know Kjell has been following this royal family for a while now...
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch Queen Beatrix, who turns 75 on Thursday, announced she was abdicating in favor of her son, Prince Willem-Alexander, telling her country it was time to hand the crown to the next generation after more than three decades on the throne.
Willem-Alexander, 45, who will be sworn in as king on April 30, is married to Princess Maxima, who comes from Argentina, and has three young children.
http://news.yahoo.com/dutch-queen-address-nation-prompts-talk-abdication-162811024.html;_ylt=A2KJNF8O5AZRcXEA6GbQtDMD
Kjell Pettersson
2013-04-24 18:14:43 UTC
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Reading the program at the site of the Royal House of Netherlands*, it seems we should not think the abdication formally occurs at midnight, as bureaucrats could have been imagined to plan it, had they had a say in the matter. Or astrologers not being certain they will be able to clock the event...

There is going to be an abdication ceremony between ten o'clock and ten thirty, April the 30th, and at the website of the monarchy the Queen is referenced as Her Majesty the Queen at the beginning of this ceremony but as Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrix after the ceremony.

In other words, we can expect the abdication to be formal and to take effect at 10.15 Dutch time, give or take ten to max fifteen minutes.

A chart for 10.15 gives 18 CAN rising, which should be at the most three degrees off. It is an interesting chart, if challenging. It is not only an abdication chart but also the chart for the ascension of the succeeding monarch, thereby describing not only an abdicating queen but the new king and the life of the nation in coming years as well.

Planetary positions are given further down.

Looking at aspects and other things worthy to take note of I see the following:

The Moon is in Capricorn, just falling into the sixth house and is 33 arc minutes past a conjunction with retrograde Pluto. It will be past the conjunction already at ten, so the precise time of the abdication will not affect that.

Mars in Taurus is in an approaching opposition to Saturn in Scorpio, with an orb of less than one degree. They are in different degrees though, Mars at 8 TAU, Sat rx at 9 SCO. Progressing the chart the aspect perfects within less than a year.

With traditional rulerships, Venus is the sole dispositor, with modern rulerships Neptune and Chiron in Pisces are the only ones not ruled, directly or indirectly, by her. But Venus being exalted in Pisces you might want to count some influence on them even with modern rulerships. The Moon, Mars and Jupiter are all in detriment. With the Ascendant in Cancer, it can be said for certain they did not consult an astrologer to set the time and date, but we knew that already with the Mars/Saturn opposition.

MC in Pisces is in the vicinity of Chiron, but whether approaching or separating we will not know until we have the exact time.

What will be most interesting is to get the exact positions of Mars and Saturn so that the perfection of the aspect can be calculated. It will soon become apparent what role this aspect is going to play in the chart.

Planetary positions in the chart for 10.15:

Sun
10° 8'54" ARIES

Moon
12° 4' 5" CAPRICORN

Mercury
27°27'50" ARIES

Venus
18°34' 6" TAURUS

Mars
7°20'56" TAURUS

Jupiter
17°21' 9" GEMINI

Saturn
8° 3'43" SCORPIO

Uranus
10°16'14" ARIES

Neptune
4°59'11" PISCES

Pluto
11°30'34" SCORPIO

Mean Node
17°16'38" SCORPIO

True Node
16°52' SCORPIO

Chiron
12°50' PISCES

/Kjell

* http://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/globale-paginas/taalrubrieken/english/news/

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Post by Kjell Pettersson
Thank you for bringing this to attention. I thought about making a chart for the announcement, but decided that the most important time would be actual succession in April.
However, should anyone want to look into the chart for the public statement, it seems it was made at 19.00, Dutch time, on the 28th of January.* I believe, however, such a chart would mostly be relevant for questions concerning how the public receives the news and such.
/Kjell
* "The 75-year-old monarch made the announcement live on TV a few minutes ago, at 7pm local time" according to an article at http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/28/queen-beatrix-of-the-netherlands-abdicates.html, which seems to be posted at eleven minutes past the hour.
Post by Todd Carnes
I know Kjell has been following this royal family for a while now...
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch Queen Beatrix, who turns 75 on Thursday, announced she was abdicating in favor of her son, Prince Willem-Alexander, telling her country it was time to hand the crown to the next generation after more than three decades on the throne.
Willem-Alexander, 45, who will be sworn in as king on April 30, is married to Princess Maxima, who comes from Argentina, and has three young children.
http://news.yahoo.com/dutch-queen-address-nation-prompts-talk-abdication-162811024.html;_ylt=A2KJNF8O5AZRcXEA6GbQtDMD
Kjell Pettersson
2013-05-01 08:38:08 UTC
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I was not able to time the event myself, as any self-respecting royalist astrologist would really need to do. But the Guardian seems to have an exact time*.

According to the Guardian 9.07 is the time for the abdication being signed by the Queen and 9.08 for when the King signed his accession, but I assume the wrong hour must be due to British time zone being used by the Guardian. I am convinced it is safe to add an hour.

/K

* http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/30/queen-beatrix-abdicates-dutch-throne-to-crown-prince-willem-alexander-live-coverage
Post by Kjell Pettersson
Reading the program at the site of the Royal House of Netherlands*, it seems we should not think the abdication formally occurs at midnight, as bureaucrats could have been imagined to plan it, had they had a say in the matter. Or astrologers not being certain they will be able to clock the event...
There is going to be an abdication ceremony between ten o'clock and ten thirty, April the 30th, and at the website of the monarchy the Queen is referenced as Her Majesty the Queen at the beginning of this ceremony but as Her Royal Highness Princess Beatrix after the ceremony.
In other words, we can expect the abdication to be formal and to take effect at 10.15 Dutch time, give or take ten to max fifteen minutes.
A chart for 10.15 gives 18 CAN rising, which should be at the most three degrees off. It is an interesting chart, if challenging. It is not only an abdication chart but also the chart for the ascension of the succeeding monarch, thereby describing not only an abdicating queen but the new king and the life of the nation in coming years as well.
Planetary positions are given further down.
The Moon is in Capricorn, just falling into the sixth house and is 33 arc minutes past a conjunction with retrograde Pluto. It will be past the conjunction already at ten, so the precise time of the abdication will not affect that.
Mars in Taurus is in an approaching opposition to Saturn in Scorpio, with an orb of less than one degree. They are in different degrees though, Mars at 8 TAU, Sat rx at 9 SCO. Progressing the chart the aspect perfects within less than a year.
With traditional rulerships, Venus is the sole dispositor, with modern rulerships Neptune and Chiron in Pisces are the only ones not ruled, directly or indirectly, by her. But Venus being exalted in Pisces you might want to count some influence on them even with modern rulerships. The Moon, Mars and Jupiter are all in detriment. With the Ascendant in Cancer, it can be said for certain they did not consult an astrologer to set the time and date, but we knew that already with the Mars/Saturn opposition.
MC in Pisces is in the vicinity of Chiron, but whether approaching or separating we will not know until we have the exact time.
What will be most interesting is to get the exact positions of Mars and Saturn so that the perfection of the aspect can be calculated. It will soon become apparent what role this aspect is going to play in the chart.
Sun
10ᅵ 8'54" ARIES
Moon
12ᅵ 4' 5" CAPRICORN
Mercury
27ᅵ27'50" ARIES
Venus
18ᅵ34' 6" TAURUS
Mars
7ᅵ20'56" TAURUS
Jupiter
17ᅵ21' 9" GEMINI
Saturn
8ᅵ 3'43" SCORPIO
Uranus
10ᅵ16'14" ARIES
Neptune
4ᅵ59'11" PISCES
Pluto
11ᅵ30'34" SCORPIO
Mean Node
17ᅵ16'38" SCORPIO
True Node
16ᅵ52' SCORPIO
Chiron
12ᅵ50' PISCES
/Kjell
* http://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/globale-paginas/taalrubrieken/english/news/
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Post by Kjell Pettersson
Thank you for bringing this to attention. I thought about making a chart for the announcement, but decided that the most important time would be actual succession in April.
However, should anyone want to look into the chart for the public statement, it seems it was made at 19.00, Dutch time, on the 28th of January.* I believe, however, such a chart would mostly be relevant for questions concerning how the public receives the news and such.
/Kjell
* "The 75-year-old monarch made the announcement live on TV a few minutes ago, at 7pm local time" according to an article at http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/01/28/queen-beatrix-of-the-netherlands-abdicates.html, which seems to be posted at eleven minutes past the hour.
Post by Todd Carnes
I know Kjell has been following this royal family for a while now...
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch Queen Beatrix, who turns 75 on Thursday, announced she was abdicating in favor of her son, Prince Willem-Alexander, telling her country it was time to hand the crown to the next generation after more than three decades on the throne.
Willem-Alexander, 45, who will be sworn in as king on April 30, is married to Princess Maxima, who comes from Argentina, and has three young children.
http://news.yahoo.com/dutch-queen-address-nation-prompts-talk-abdication-162811024.html;_ylt=A2KJNF8O5AZRcXEA6GbQtDMD
unknown
2013-05-19 17:59:28 UTC
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A bit late, but I've been amusing myself with these charts while I was away
on holiday.

Queen Beatrix's chart is remarkable, with that stellium in the 10th - I
haven't come across many queens' charts that actually looked that queenly!
Also a perfect fit for her name, with both the Fortunes in there.

I'm working blind, knowing nothing about her except that she abdicated.
I'll be interested to find out how much of what I'm saying is true.

The stellium suggests a noteworthy and popular ruler - certainly one of the
Queens schoolchilldren remember from their history lessons, if there's any
justice! Glamour and charisma with Sun con Venus in Aquarius - Aquarius and
the Uranus square suggest idealism, egalitarian, unconventional, but could
be hard to relate to, and could be too unconventional or disruptive,
headstrong - especially with Aries rising. Certainly the chart of someone
who does something as unheard-of as abdicate!

Those squares to Uranus are all *closing*, so (according to Charles Carter's
theory, [...] , which I've found to work well myself)
Uranus will always exert a gravitational force - with the personal
unconventionality in the 1st tugging the stellium down from the 10th to
their final end. It happens that one, Venus, has recently gone to
conjunction by progression.

Quick look at the rest of the chart: Mars (ruler) in Aries, trine Pluto:
could well be quarrelsome; highly energetic and self-willed, does her own
thing. According to one of my books the Pluto trine is associated with the
willpower and energy to make drastic changes, new beginnings, possibly
expressed through house ruled by Pluto - here 8th. (legacy??) Mars con
Sat, here v close indeed, usually works out as a stopping and starting
influence - the dynamic activity indicated above may be in bursts followed
by spells of inactivity. 12th, with trine to 4th and Cancer: breaks
enforced by ill-health and/or psychological strain?

Mercury in Capricorn 10th trine Neptune in Virgo 7th: a cannier element here
to back up all that fiery stuff. Rational mind, good organising ability,
sci/maths ability, may be narrow-minded (but the Neptune trine should cancel
that out). Mercury in 10th: good communication skills help career; must
have intellectual stimulation from career. May be "professionally" involved
in many things at once. Trine Neptune: imaginative; if rest of Chart
creative, then poetry, fiction, dancing or acting may be promising.
Sensitivity - easily hurt by words. Neptune 7th: may mislead or be misled
by partners, and/or he may be religious or artistic (or involved with the
sea?).

Well that's enough. Interested to know your opinion, and whether it's borne
out in fact. Thoughts on progressions to follow.
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unknown
2013-06-04 02:46:21 UTC
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Thoughts on progressions to follow.
You might have noticed distinct lack of those comments on progressions and
transits. I just hadn't time. Also, now I've finally looked at them, there
don't appear to BE any progressions active in Queen Beatrix's chart for this
year. Which is odd. Not that I ever know what to do with them if there
are.

There are plenty of transits at exactly the time the abdication was
announced, though. Saturn had just made squares to the Moon, Jupiter and
Venus and was then just squaring the Sun - 15' past. (Saturn transit
effects, by all accounts, always do arrive late.)

Pluto, at the same time, was going through the same four planets by
semi-sextile - drastic changes, endings and beginnings. It was within 19'
of Venus that day.

And Uranus is squaring the MC - a problem to her position but, being trine
MC natally, perhaps not such a problem to her. 33' before exactitude on that
day; a rather nice example of how Saturn apparently fires late and Uranus
early!
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A. B.
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