Would you expect Pisceans to be more likely to become poets and Taureans or Geminis less so?

[Lawrence Woodman]

I have been scraping wikipedia again to do more research into whether
when people were born affects their future. This time I have focused on
Poets.

The article can be found at:
http://techtinkering.com/2011/09/08/pisceans-and-october-babies-more-
likely-to-become-poets/

It turns out that Pisceans are more likely to be poets and Taureans or
Geminis are less likely. Is that what people would have expected?


Lawrence

[unknown]

Post by Lawrence Woodman
I have been scraping wikipedia again to do more research into whether
when people were born affects their future. This time I have focused on
Poets.
http://techtinkering.com/2011/09/08/pisceans-and-october-babies-more-likely-to-become-poets/
It turns out that Pisceans are more likely to be poets and Taureans or
Geminis are less likely. Is that what people would have expected?

That's some variation! And it seems to follow a very tidy pattern - rising
fairly steadily from Gemini to Virgo, then down again until the Pisces peak.
(Perfect 2nd harmonic, for those who understand them.) Are you sure it
isn't something about the way you calculated it? Not that I'm against the
idea, but results this clear are as rare as hens' teeth!

Pisces is traditionally the sign of poetry, and imaginative art generally.
Virgo, the other peak, is at least considered very intelligent and literate,
though not imaginative. Capricorn and Aquarius, one of the troughs, are
both quite cool, scientific signs in different ways. But it's odd about
Gemini, which should be THE sign for language and wordplay, even more so
than Virgo.

[Kjell Pettersson]

Post by unknown
Pisces is traditionally the sign of poetry, and imaginative art generally.
Virgo, the other peak, is at least considered very intelligent and literate,
though not imaginative.  Capricorn and Aquarius, one of the troughs, are
both quite cool, scientific signs in different ways.  But it's odd about
Gemini, which should be THE sign for language and wordplay, even more so
than Virgo.

Virgo would be great on meter and the technical aspects of poetry, the
handiwork so to speak.

Taureans not being poets seems to go without saying. It's way too
ephemeral.

Gemini's wordplay is more social, more about making puns than poetry,
and emphatically not interested in the orderliness of meter, not
having the patience for such.

Looking deeper I think there might be something more to this, but
where to start... One difference between the way Gemini (Mercury)
rules language and how Sagittarius (Jupiter) does it can be noted with
relation to poetry. I may be getting detail(s) wrong, but neurological
scanning (what's that word now?) has shown that what is verbal is
usually connected to the right half of the brain. However, "odd"
words, like foreign words and "poetic" and musical phrases ("she loves
me, yeah yeah yeah") are connected with the left half.

I suspect that would go also for religious imagery and verbal
expression of it, as it is usually halfway poetic from the start.

Concluding, and basing my conclusion on almost nothing (in particular
not logic), I'd guess that if we have a language axis GEM/SAG there is
a corresponding poetry axis PIS/VIR. There might be a better word than
poetry to describe it though, but I think we can agree on that there
seems to be a difference between ordinary language and emotive/
imaginative language.

/Kjell

[Lawrence Woodman]

Post by unknown

Post by Lawrence Woodman
I have been scraping wikipedia again to do more research into whether
when people were born affects their future. This time I have focused
on Poets.
http://techtinkering.com/2011/09/08/pisceans-and-october-babies-more-

likely-to-become-poets/

Post by unknown

Post by Lawrence Woodman
It turns out that Pisceans are more likely to be poets and Taureans or
Geminis are less likely. Is that what people would have expected?

That's some variation! And it seems to follow a very tidy pattern -
rising fairly steadily from Gemini to Virgo, then down again until the
Pisces peak. (Perfect 2nd harmonic, for those who understand them.) Are
you sure it isn't something about the way you calculated it? Not that
I'm against the idea, but results this clear are as rare as hens' teeth!

I have looked back over the calculations and they are very simple. I
just form a frequency chart for each star sign, then calculate the
percentage of the total for those frequencies. I have to say that I'm
quite pleased with these results so far. I just wish the sample size
were bigger.


Lawrence

[Kjell Pettersson]

Post by Lawrence Woodman
I have been scraping wikipedia again to do more research into whether
when people were born affects their future.

There is a possible problem if you have poets from all possible ages,
not only the latest few centuries.

Do you have a start date for the range of dates?

/Kjell

[Lawrence Woodman]

Post by Kjell Pettersson

Post by Lawrence Woodman
I have been scraping wikipedia again to do more research into whether
when people were born affects their future.

There is a possible problem if you have poets from all possible ages,
not only the latest few centuries.
Do you have a start date for the range of dates?

The earliest poet was John Milton, born 1608. I don't know much about
astrology, hence why I posted here. I'm guessing the date for the star
signs would have been different that long ago. How far back do you
think my current dates would be correct for?


Lawrence

[Kjell Pettersson]

The earliest poet was John Milton, born 1608.  I don't know much about
astrology, hence why I posted here.  I'm guessing the date for the star
signs would have been different that long ago.  How far back do you
think my current dates would be correct for?

I am sorry about the late answer.

I was thinking primarily of the transition from the previous Julian to
the current Gregorian calendar.

"Britain and the British Empire (including the eastern part of what is
now the United States) adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1752, by
which time it was necessary to correct by 11 days. Wednesday, 2
September 1752 was followed by Thursday, 14 September 1752." *

It seems that the birth date for Milton would have to be adjusted to
"New Style".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Style_and_New_Style_dates

The easiest way to do this with regards to astrology is to use an
astrology program that calculates and adjusts for you, or to google
for the horoscope of the person in question.

An online horoscope service that is held in high regard is available
at:

http://www.astro.com/

At astro.com you can both check ephemeris and calculate horoscopes.

Please do come back if you need more information!

/Kjell


*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar

[Kjell Pettersson]

Post by Lawrence Woodman
It turns out that Pisceans are more likely to be poets and Taureans or
Geminis are less likely.  Is that what people would have expected?

I think the results you have seem plausible.

Actually, the tendency might be stronger than you have, as births are
not equally distributed over the signs. More people are born in May
and June than other months, which would make the result, uncorrected
for this, even stronger.

/Kjell

[Lawrence Woodman]

Post by Kjell Pettersson

Post by Lawrence Woodman
It turns out that Pisceans are more likely to be poets and Taureans or
Geminis are less likely.  Is that what people would have expected?

I think the results you have seem plausible.
Actually, the tendency might be stronger than you have, as births are
not equally distributed over the signs. More people are born in May and
June than other months, which would make the result, uncorrected for
this, even stronger.

I think that you are right about there being more births in May and June
in Europe, and possibly parts of north America. I'm not so sure about
elsewhere in the world. However, on looking back over the list it is
clear that as with Nobel laureates, most on the list come from Europe or
North America, so this should be catered for.


Lawrence

[Ato Z]

Not speaking for poets specifically, but many years ago the Church of
Light researched the timed charts of 100 general writers, to determine
the prominence of planets, signs and houses. (Their criteria for
planetary prominence was basically a) planet in an angle ie 1,10,7,4 b)
planet aspecting Sun, Moon or Mercury within "a reasonable degree of
closeness" c) a planet within a 1 degree orb of a major aspect (square,
trine etc.)
Results:
Mercury prominent...95%

Charts with Mercury aspecting Sun or Moon...91%

Charts with Mercury aspecting the Moon...64%

Charts with Mercury conjunct the Sun...58%

Third house active (assumption being planets in third, or its ruler
prominent...97%

Charts with planet in third house...49%

Ninth house active...94%

Planet in ninth house...46%

In tabulating the Sun, Moon, and Ascendant, no sign stood out with
sufficient prominence to warrent special mention.

In the five charts where Mercury was not prominent, an unusually
prominent Moon or an unusually prominent Uranus seemed to act as a
substitute.
The five charts were those of writers of outstanding recognition.

Thought some would find this of interest.

[Kjell Pettersson]

On 10 Sep, 00:23, ***@webtv.net (Ato Z) wrote:

Going off on a tangent I remember an investigation (non-astrological)
on different kinds of authors, which found that poets were more likely
(dramatically more likely) than others to have had mental problems. (I
am sorry I do not recall the source, I think it was a pop-psychology
book like something from dr Phil or so.)

Stretching this little factoid one could say that it would indeed be
more likely to find Pisceans or a heavy Pisces influence in the charts
of poets, or a twelfth house influence.

/Kjell

Post by Ato Z
Not speaking for poets specifically, but many years ago the Church of
Light researched the timed charts of 100 general writers, to determine
the prominence of planets, signs and houses. (Their criteria for
planetary prominence was basically a) planet in an angle ie 1,10,7,4 b)
planet aspecting Sun, Moon or Mercury within "a reasonable degree of
closeness" c) a planet within a 1 degree orb of a major aspect (square,
trine etc.)
Mercury prominent...95%
Charts with Mercury aspecting Sun or Moon...91%
Charts with Mercury aspecting the Moon...64%
Charts with Mercury conjunct the Sun...58%
Third house active (assumption being planets in third, or its ruler
prominent...97%
Charts with planet in third house...49%
Ninth house active...94%
Planet in ninth house...46%
In tabulating the Sun, Moon, and Ascendant, no sign stood out with
sufficient prominence to warrent special mention.
In the five charts where Mercury was not prominent, an unusually
prominent Moon or an unusually prominent Uranus seemed to act as a
substitute.
The five charts were those of writers of outstanding recognition.
Thought some would find this of interest.