Getting down to basics

[mamy]

Hello everyone, I am a new comer to this group and I was hoping that
someone would tell me what makes a great Astologer; especially the
ones who wrote in the subject of Astrology and free will (again).

[pedantus]

Post by mamy
Hello everyone, I am a new comer to this group and I was hoping that
someone would tell me what makes a great Astologer; especially the
ones who wrote in the subject of Astrology and free will (again).

I guess I'm still waiting for the great astrologer; the Guessiah
shall arrive...:)

But I don't have any criteria to work with anymore, I don't know I
actually expect of mere mortals. My fantasies keep changing, but it
would be nice if the simple mental act of noticing astrology seems to
exist was compatible with conventional career goals. There is an
awful taboo in academics against "occult" curiosity. Of course its
completely acceptable to believe, without a doubt, that a rotting
corpse can haul himself out of a grave after three days and bodily
ascend to heaven. Hell, such completely delusional mental states are
even encouraged. There seems no end to the essential insanity of
'normal' people....:) What will this great astrologer be...hmmmm,
sane, is all I ask...:) Objective procedures would be the real icing
on the cake. Anything that requires indoctrination and belief is
definitely Age of Pisces regression. Yes, the great astrologer will
arrive, and s/he (gotta watch gender references here abouts) and it
will say, here is astrology , it actually exists, but it is nothing
like you thought it was to be, at all...:)

Rog

[Claude Latremouille]

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On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 02:05:12 -0500, mamy <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Post by mamy
Hello everyone, I am a new comer to this group and I was hoping that
someone would tell me what makes a great Astologer; especially the
ones who wrote in the subject of Astrology and free will (again).

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Hmmm, quite an order! ;-)
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Let's see. What makes a great astrologer?
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As astrology is a symbolic art, my general impression is that you
are as much responsible for the making of 'a great astrologer' as
the astrologer himself/herself might be.
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Explanation: For anyone, the best astrologer is one who 'fits'
best with the chart of the prospective consultant. I view that
relationship astrologer/client in the same manner as I view any
partnership, association, etc.
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You might think that 'a great astrologer' is someone who posesses
knowledge no other astrologer posesses? If astrology were an
objective science and not a symbolic art, you would be right. It
would be possible to assess the value of various astrologers
using a standard test of knowledge.
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In astrology, knowledge is not everything. Communicating that
knowledge is also extremely important. And the best possible
communication happens when two charts are very compatible, or at
least not too incompatible. As incompatibilities build blockages
of various kinds, including the meaning one ascribes to the very
same words, misunderstandings might occur where none is
'supposed' to happen where charts are more compatible.
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My answer might not have been what you were looking for, but it
is the best I can offer.
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Have a nice day, folks!
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Claude Latrémouille
March 27, 2009
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[mamy]

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*>Hello everyone, I am a new comer to this group and I was hoping that

Post by mamy
someone would tell me what makes a great Astologer; especially the
ones who wrote in the subject of Astrology and free will (again).

*
Hmmm, quite an order! ;-)
*
Let's see. What makes a great astrologer?
*
As astrology is a symbolic art, my general impression is that you
are as much responsible for the making of 'a great astrologer' as
the astrologer himself/herself might be.
*
Explanation: For anyone, the best astrologer is one who 'fits'
best with the chart of the prospective consultant. I view that
relationship astrologer/client in the same manner as I view any
partnership, association, etc.
*
You might think that 'a great astrologer' is someone who posesses
knowledge no other astrologer posesses? If astrology were an
objective science and not a symbolic art, you would be right. It
would be possible to assess the value of various astrologers
using a standard test of knowledge.
*
In astrology, knowledge is not everything. Communicating that
knowledge is also extremely important. And the best possible
communication happens when two charts are very compatible, or at
least not too incompatible. As incompatibilities build blockages
of various kinds, including the meaning one ascribes to the very
same words, misunderstandings might occur where none is
'supposed' to happen where charts are more compatible.
*
My answer might not have been what you were looking for, but it
is the best I can offer.
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
Claude Latrémouille
March 27, 2009
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    === CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
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Hello everyone, the answers I received to my question<what makes a
great astrologer?> were quite Knowledgeable but
the real reason I raised this question is partly the discussions that
were going on on the subject of free will (again), it made Astrology
seem blurry and futile while it was our way to arrive to a greater
understanding of life and what triggers its events, so I thought that
by answering this question each one of us can determine what he or she
expects Astrology to be and what he or she expects out of it, and
through our definitions we can
realize a more modern definition of Astrology. The other part in my
opinion is that Astrology is a science and an art the astronomer and
the wiseman to master it you have to use all your faculties the right
and left brain and most of all the third eye.

[Claude Latremouille]

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On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 07:42:32 -0500, mamy <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Post by mamy
Hello everyone, the answers I received to my question<what makes a
great astrologer?> were quite Knowledgeable but
the real reason I raised this question is partly the discussions that
were going on on the subject of free will (again), it made Astrology
seem blurry and futile while it was our way to arrive to a greater
understanding of life and what triggers its events, so I thought that
by answering this question each one of us can determine what he or she
expects Astrology to be and what he or she expects out of it, and
through our definitions we can
realize a more modern definition of Astrology. The other part in my
opinion is that Astrology is a science and an art the astronomer and
the wiseman to master it you have to use all your faculties the right
and left brain and most of all the third eye.

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So, what you were *really* asking (but were afraid to ask?) is:
What is astrology?
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Answer: We don't know.
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Explanation: Astrology being a faithful representation of the
workings of our Universe, to answer that question, one would need
to understand what is the Universe.
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So far, cosmologists have not achieved that goal and (in my view)
are not about to.
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It is easier to state what astrology is not. For instance, it is
not a science. Why not? Because it studies reality, and reality
happens only once. Science cannot study what happens only once.
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Some folks are of the view that, if astrology is not a science,
then it must be a religion. Well, it ain't a religion either
(even though many religions might claim astrology as their own).
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Why is it not a religion? Because it exists and it works without
requiring people to realize that it exists and it works. A
religion needs folks to adhere to it. Astrology does not. It
functions all by itself. A religion does not.
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What else is astrology not?
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Some say it is a superstition. It ain't that either. They can't
prove it and we can't prove that it is not.
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Bottom line: Astrology is a form of knowledge which depends on
the inner workings of the Universe. It studies the relationship
between various manifestations of space-time, of which the
astrological chart is the best possible representation.
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How's that for getting down to basics?! :-)
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Have a nice day, folks!
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Claude Latrémouille
March 28, 2009
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=== CLAUDE LATRÉMOUILLE ===
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[mamy]

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*>Hello everyone, the answers I received to my question<what makes a

Post by mamy
great astrologer?> were quite Knowledgeable but
the real reason I raised this question is partly the discussions that
were going on on the subject of free will (again), it made Astrology
seem blurry and futile while it was our way to arrive to a greater
understanding of life and what triggers its events, so I thought that
by answering this question each one of us can determine what he or she
expects Astrology to be and what he or she expects out of it, and
through our definitions we can
realize a more modern definition of Astrology. The other part in my
opinion is that Astrology is a science and an art the astronomer and
the wiseman to master it you have to use all your faculties the right
and left brain and most of all the third eye.

*
What is astrology?
*
Answer: We don't know.
*
Explanation: Astrology being a faithful representation of the
workings of our Universe, to answer that question, one would need
to understand what is the Universe.
*
So far, cosmologists have not achieved that goal and (in my view)
are not about to.
*
It is easier to state what astrology is not. For instance, it is
not a science. Why not? Because it studies reality, and reality
happens only once. Science cannot study what happens only once.
*
Some folks are of the view that, if astrology is not a science,
then it must be a religion. Well, it ain't a religion either
(even though many religions might claim astrology as their own).
*
Why is it not a religion? Because it exists and it works without
requiring people to realize that it exists and it works. A
religion needs folks to adhere to it. Astrology does not. It
functions all by itself. A religion does not.
*
What else is astrology not?
*
Some say it is a superstition. It ain't that either. They can't
prove it and we can't prove that it is not.
*
Bottom line: Astrology is a form of knowledge which depends on
the inner workings of the Universe. It studies the relationship
between various manifestations of space-time, of which the
astrological chart is the best possible representation.
*
How's that for getting down to basics?! :-)
*
Have a nice day, folks!
*
Claude Latrémouille
March 28, 2009
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Hello everyone, I hope that by now you know me a little bit better
after having expressed my opinion in what was going on around me.
First of all I would like to know if you please; if these discussions
where going to be put into practicle use like for example a book for
Astrology advancement or you already have done that, if so please tell
me the name of the books or sites so I can follow up. If not, then
these discussions are to share with the like opinions and thought,
and that is another story.....

[A B]

What makes a great astrologer... hmm, tricky. So tricky that I'm going
to chicken out and say what makes a good astrologer instead.
The first thing, of course, is to be able to draw up a chart
accurately. The greatest astrologer in the world couldn't make a good
interpretation of a wonky chart. That's just a matter of practice. You
could cheat and do that part on a computer, it is the only part of astrology
a computer can do properly at the moment. I always draw mine by hand as it
means I am familiar with the ins and outs of the chart before I start
interpreting. This does NOT apply to the calculation of the Ascendant,
which is a blooming awful sum fit only for a computer.
Then you have to know the meanings of the basic elements by heart, and
STICK to them. No relying on intuition for the astrologer. If the chart
shows the Moon in Taurus, say, your job is to give the astrological meaning.
This is something that is already documented and you just have to reel it
off.
The awkward part is fitting it all together. That really might call
for intuition, also experience, understanding of human nature (assuming it's
a person's chart and not a city or something), consideration of the way the
planets are aspecting each other, and to be honest a certain amount of luck.
As Claude Latrémouille pointed out, if you are a consulting
astrologer, you'll need more than astrological talent. In fact, a
second-rate astrologer who is tactful, practical and really understands
their client will be much more use than someone who is expert at astrology
per se, but rotten at giving advice. The latter might make an impressive
researcher, but never a good consulting astrologer.
As for "Astrology and free will (again!)", I've stopped reading that
one. It seems to be asking what is the point of astrology if nobody has
free will anyway. An interesting question if you really don't think anyone
has free will, but if like me you do, then it seems a bit irrelevant. In
that case we can make free choices based on what we know from astrology, and
more subtle justifications are not needed.
Having said all this, I admit that this is just my opinion. Astrology
being what it is, I'm sure there are any amount of people who disagree...
Best of luck to all the astrologers out there.
A. B.

[Edmond H. Wollmann]

Post by mamy
Hello everyone, I am a new comer to this group and I was hoping that
someone would tell me what makes a great Astologer; especially the
ones who wrote in the subject of Astrology and free will (again).

They are able to translate astrological information into pragmatic and
useful information, awareness and understanding to the client without
using any astrological jargon or "shoulds".