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News Flash--Universe now known to be 475 billion light years!
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Donna Lee
2009-09-12 06:31:35 UTC
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I guess this is not exactly astrology, but it is astronomy. I was
rereading a travelogue about the author's travels in Asia between 1971
and 1973: Japan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Thailand, Singapore, and India,
entitled, Return to Sender When the Fish in the Water was Thirsty, by
Raymond Mungo (a Pisces native by the way who seems to know somewhat
about astrology, with Saturn in Cancer in the 9th natally and a Scorpio
Ascendant), when his words about a mind-blowingly mind-expanding
experience that happened to him reminded me of such an experience that
happened to me sitting right on the loveseat in my apartment:

I was speaking with an associate about the Universe, although I don't
remember in what context and he said something to the effect that the
entire Universe is only a tiny portion of the whole of existence! My
mind immediately expanded even more than I thought it could in
contemplating this possibility, which had never occurred to me. It took
me about a week to get back in touch with this man to ask him just
exactly what he meant by his statement. It wasn't what I'd originally
thought.

I originally thought that he was making his statement in terms of
physical space, which he partially was. However, he was mainly talking
about higher mathematics, in other words, the fact that there is an
infinity of decimal places between the integers "1" and "2." This is
similar to Zeno's Paradox, which an ancient philosopher by the name,
Zeno, came up with, which is true on a microphysics level, but is
nonsense on a macrophysics level or in everyday reality.

Zeno proposed that one could divide in half the distance of one foot
infinitely and therefore one could not (on a microphysical level) ever
travel the full distance, but only half of any remaining distance. For
instance, to walk one foot from where one is sitting to a door, one
would have to walk 1/2 foot, then 1/2 of 1/2 foot, and so on,
infinitely, which is true, but which any ambulatory person accomplishe
in a second. My associate also mentioned the infinity of integers
themselves, in that there's an endless number of numbers. I don't know
if those necessarily are supposed to correspond with and infinite amount
of space, like inches or feet or miles or light years, because I don't
know much about higher mathematics.

In any case, I called Joe Rao, the resident astrophysicist and "Answer
Man," at the Hayden Planetarium here in New York City (212) 769-5901,
who is my "go to person" for questions of this nature, and he told me
that at this time, astronomers are able to "see" up to something like
475 billion light years (!) away from us into the further reaches of the
Universe. He said that in past times, astronomers started off being able
to see much less far and as time progressed and their equipment
(telescopes, etc.) became more powerful and more sophisticated, they
were able to see further and further, and they expect that in the future
they'll be able to see further still.

This really made me realize yet again the aptness of the words of the
Jewish philosopher, I believe it was Maimonides, who said that we must
keep opposing thoughts in each of our two (metaphorical) pockets to look
to when we need to and to keep us in balance and give us the right
perspective at the right time: in one pocket we must have the thought:
"The world was created just for me" and in the other: "I am dust and
ashes."
pedantus
2009-09-13 23:41:07 UTC
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On Sep 12, 2:31 am, ***@webtv.net (Donna Lee) wrote:

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Post by Donna Lee
In any case, I called Joe Rao, the resident astrophysicist and "Answer
Man," at the Hayden Planetarium here in New York City (212) 769-5901,
who is my "go to person" for questions of this nature, and he told me
that at this time, astronomers are able to "see" up to something like
475 billion light years (!) away from us into the further reaches of the
Universe. He said that in past times, astronomers started off being able
to see much less far and as time progressed and their equipment
(telescopes, etc.) became more powerful and more sophisticated, they
were able to see further and further, and they expect that in the future
they'll be able to see further still.  
This really made me realize yet again the aptness of the words of the
Jewish philosopher, I believe it was Maimonides, who said that we must
keep opposing thoughts in each of our two (metaphorical) pockets to look
to when we need to and to keep us in balance and give us the right
"The world was created just for me" and in the other:  "I am dust and
ashes."
Someone's apparently pulling your leg, Donna.


http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/28/1373-billion-years-the-most-accurate-measurement-of-the-age-of-the-universe-yet/

" NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) has taken the
best measurement of the age of the Universe to date. According to
highly precise observations of microwave radiation observed all over
the cosmos, WMAP scientists now have the best estimate yet on the age
of the Universe: 13.73 billion years, plus or minus 120 million years
(that's an error margin of only 0.87%… not bad really…).[..]"




Maimonides March 30, 1135:
http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=3&btyp=w2gw&&cid=qv2file2rxwIE-u1238443454&nhor=2

“Keep two truths in your pocket, and take them out according
to the need of the moment.
Let one be: ‘For my sake was the world created.’
And the other: ‘I am dust and ashes.’” ~ Hasidic saying

The saying doesn't match his natal chart aspect pattern as well as
it should. I don't think he had a very strong feeling that the first
possibility had any real merit. Aires Sun square Saturn in Capricorn,
and Moon opposite Saturn, probably make the latter half of the saying
the primary attraction of that saying.



Rog
Donna Lee
2009-09-18 12:12:15 UTC
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Hi, again, Rog,

I looked in my dictionary, which is old, but which states that: a year
is "the period occupied by the earth in making its revolution around the
sun, called the astronomical, equinoctial, natural, solar, or tropical
year, whose length is 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, and 45.51 seconds."
You seem to be a stickler for exactness, so I thought you'd like that
definition!

A light-year, however, is the distance over which light can travel in a
year, which is 6 trillion miles. So multiply 6 trillion by 35 million
(or whatever the exact number you [NASA] gave of miles the Universe
extends) and that number dwarfs even the number Joe Rao gave. My
dictionary also states that "most of the stars are 100 million light
years away from the earth"! However, Joe Rao said something to the
effect that the Universe that WE CAN SEE AT THIS TIME extends around 475
million LIGHT-YEARS, NOT YEARS. I called him again to check on this
number.

About Maimonides, I looked at the link you gave for his horoscope, and
it seems that my and his horoscope have more things in common than you
mentioned. What can you tell me about Maimondes as a historical figure?
I will look him up on www.astro.com/astro-databank/Main_Page where they
discuss in a little bit of detail the famous' biographies.

Finally, since I had my dictionary out, I looked up the word,
"ingenious," which I knew I'd misspelled, but didn't know how to spell.
It seems that one has to be a positive genius these days even to know
when one is mistaken, not to mention to admit it, which, as Jung said,
is more of a moral effort, and often, again, a difficult one for most to
make!
Donna Lee
2009-09-18 12:13:36 UTC
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P.S.--Like Maimonides, I have the Sun in Aries, square Saturn by degree,
and my Moon is opposite my Saturn by sign, and I hold with both those
notions!
Donna Lee
2009-09-18 12:15:07 UTC
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Hi, Rog,

It seems I'm not quite through. I looked up Maimonides (Moses ben
Maimon) on the link I where I said I would, and it seems that he was
born on April 6, 1135, according to the Gregorian calendar, rather than
March 30, 1135 (OS, whatever that means). His Moon is therefore in
Libra and opposing his Sun and square his Saturn rather than opposite
it, according to that date. Well, that leaves out some of the other
similarities in my and his horoscopes, except for the Sun squaring
Saturn by degree. My Sun is sextile my Moon, which latter, as I said
opposes my Saturn by sign.

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