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Jean Barto
2009-10-12 12:50:25 UTC
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Hi folks,

Here's the birth data of one of my upstairs neighbors. Have gotten this
from him bit by bit the last couple of weeks. There's more to him than he
lets on, or perhaps he knows himself...

Born 10 June 1984, East Jerusalem, Israel. He doesn't know exact birth
time. I used latitude/longitude for Augusta Victoria Hospital on Mount
Scopus, and 12 noon GMT +2 for birth time.

This is *not* a compatibility request! I'm simply sharing what I know with
those who can do more with this.

On a brighter note, I wish there was more serious astrology study on
Usenet--if it's not here, where is it?

Jean B. in Norfolk, rekindling my astrology interest as I have time...
Hannelore Goos
2009-10-12 15:07:32 UTC
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Post by Jean Barto
Hi folks,
Here's the birth data of one of my upstairs neighbors. Have gotten this
from him bit by bit the last couple of weeks. There's more to him than he
lets on, or perhaps he knows himself...
Hello Jean,

did you ask your neighbour if he wishes his chart to be discussed in the
public?

Following the rules of the German Astrologer's Society it is regarded as
absolutely unethical to post and discuss astrological data of a living
person who did not wish this expressively. The only exemption are public
persons such as filmstars, politicians and so on.

Besides - such a discussion is worth nothing: We do not know your neighbour
and whenever you say "this is right" or "this is wrong" we can believe it
or not.

So, if you really wish to discuss a chart with us, take a person who is
commonly known, so we can check ourselves, if an interpretation is right or
wrong.
--
Hannelore Goos
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((_(_(_(/ \(_(_'#') Where is the next cupboard?
http://www.sonnenastro.de
Kjell
2009-10-12 16:59:21 UTC
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Hello, I am Kjell, one of the moderators of this group.

I certainly agree with that we shall be careful with private data, but
our Charter does not prohibit discussion of it. The only thing
DIRECTLY prohibited by the Charter regarding another's data is
discussing another poster's data without having been invited to do so.

"Any comments pertaining to any chart placement of another poster in
the course of a discussion without receiving prior consent or
invitation to make such comments." *

In praxis, we have extended this prohibition slightly, but it IS
allowed by the charter.

I note also that the original poster has asked that his post not be
archived, meaning it will disappear from archives within a relatively
short time, which I interpret as a precaution intended to guard the
privacy of the person concerned. This means that if respondents are
similarly cautious, in the same manner as you yourself excluded the
birth data from your post, I can see no reason why this discussion
should not be allowed.

My best, to both you and the original poster!

/Kjell

______________________
* The Charter is posted to the group in the beginning of each month.

On Oct 12, 5:07 pm, Hannelore Goos
Post by Hannelore Goos
Post by Jean Barto
Hi folks,
Here's the birth data of one of my upstairs neighbors.  Have gotten this
from him bit by bit the last couple of weeks.  There's more to him than he
lets on, or perhaps he knows himself...
Hello Jean,
did you ask your neighbour if he wishes his chart to be discussed in the
public?
Following the rules of the German Astrologer's Society it is regarded as
absolutely unethical to post and discuss astrological data of a living
person who did not wish this expressively. The only exemption are public
persons such as filmstars, politicians and so on.
Besides - such a discussion is worth nothing: We do not know your neighbour
and whenever you say "this is right" or "this is wrong" we can believe it
or not.
So, if you really wish to discuss a chart with us, take a person who is
commonly known, so we can check ourselves, if an interpretation is right or
wrong.
--
Hannelore Goos
            _ _
  _ _ _ /(_(_(\ _ _ _
((_(_(_(/     \(_(_'#')  Where is the next cupboard?http://www.sonnenastro.de
whatever@twixtntween.com
2009-10-14 19:04:35 UTC
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Post by Kjell
Hello, I am Kjell, one of the moderators of this group.
I only wish to add to your excellent reply...
Post by Kjell
I certainly agree with that we shall be careful with private data, but
our Charter does not prohibit discussion of it. The only thing
DIRECTLY prohibited by the Charter regarding another's data is
discussing another poster's data without having been invited to do so.
But, throughout the years, we have mostly been very careful not
to allow discussion of others' charts without their express
permission, except of course, those of celebrities (whose birth
times are notoriously unreliable, anyway).
Post by Kjell
"Any comments pertaining to any chart placement of another poster in
the course of a discussion without receiving prior consent or
invitation to make such comments." *
In praxis, we have extended this prohibition slightly, but it IS
allowed by the charter.
In retrospect, it might have been an unfortunate oversight that
it was not clearly prohibited in the charter (which was mostly
written by me, with contributions from several other posters of
the unmoderated group, at the time).
Post by Kjell
I note also that the original poster has asked that his post not be
archived, meaning it will disappear from archives within a relatively
short time, which I interpret as a precaution intended to guard the
privacy of the person concerned. This means that if respondents are
similarly cautious, in the same manner as you yourself excluded the
birth data from your post, I can see no reason why this discussion
should not be allowed.
But I would feel much better if the person whose data was posted
came forward himself, directly giving permission to discuss his
chart, and the reasons he would wish us to do it.
Post by Kjell
My best, to both you and the original poster!
I second that, and Kjell, you have full rights, as you know, to
amend the charter in any way you see fit, under these
circumstances.

G.
Post by Kjell
/Kjell
______________________
* The Charter is posted to the group in the beginning of each month.
On Oct 12, 5:07 pm, Hannelore Goos
Post by Hannelore Goos
Post by Jean Barto
Hi folks,
Here's the birth data of one of my upstairs neighbors.  Have gotten this
from him bit by bit the last couple of weeks.  There's more to him than he
lets on, or perhaps he knows himself...
Hello Jean,
did you ask your neighbour if he wishes his chart to be discussed in the
public?
Following the rules of the German Astrologer's Society it is regarded as
absolutely unethical to post and discuss astrological data of a living
person who did not wish this expressively. The only exemption are public
persons such as filmstars, politicians and so on.
Besides - such a discussion is worth nothing: We do not know your neighbour
and whenever you say "this is right" or "this is wrong" we can believe it
or not.
So, if you really wish to discuss a chart with us, take a person who is
commonly known, so we can check ourselves, if an interpretation is right or
wrong.
--
Hannelore Goos
            _ _
  _ _ _ /(_(_(\ _ _ _
((_(_(_(/     \(_(_'#')  Where is the next cupboard?http://www.sonnenastro.de
Silveen
2009-10-12 21:58:56 UTC
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Well, well, well . .
Hello Hannelore Goos:
Welcome to a.a.moderated.
Glad to see you here - a much nicer place ;-)
Wonder, if Jupiter motivated you to appear here (?)
Hope you stick around for a while.
Take care and
be well,
IRH/Silveen

BTW: perhaps some good books and some programs ought to be
recommendet to Jean ? There are some very good and free programs
definitely good for starters, but which also established astrologers are
still using.

Would be good to know what books, etc. Jean already has and what
the real goal is from now on ( like an extended hobby ? I believe it is
the best hobby in the world, a leaning that never stops, is never boring :)
Jean, let us know the current level of your understanding/studies,
in order that we might come up with some nice ideas for you.
Take care and
be well,
IRH/Silveen
Post by Hannelore Goos
Post by Jean Barto
Hi folks,
Here's the birth data of one of my upstairs neighbors. Have gotten this
from him bit by bit the last couple of weeks. There's more to him than he
lets on, or perhaps he knows himself...
Hello Jean,
did you ask your neighbour if he wishes his chart to be discussed in the
public?
Following the rules of the German Astrologer's Society it is regarded as
absolutely unethical to post and discuss astrological data of a living
person who did not wish this expressively. The only exemption are public
persons such as filmstars, politicians and so on.
Besides - such a discussion is worth nothing: We do not know your neighbour
and whenever you say "this is right" or "this is wrong" we can believe it
or not.
So, if you really wish to discuss a chart with us, take a person who is
commonly known, so we can check ourselves, if an interpretation is right or
wrong.
--
Hannelore Goos
_ _
_ _ _ /(_(_(\ _ _ _
((_(_(_(/ \(_(_'#') Where is the next cupboard?
http://www.sonnenastro.de
Jean Barto
2009-10-14 17:37:25 UTC
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Hi folks,

Sorry if I stepped on some toes when I posted my first message. I didn't
intend to do so. I have what I would characterize an "advanced novice"
understanding of astrology, and have had my own chart interpreted by one or
two astrologers--one of which has been a friend for around 20 years. I've
always harbored the interest in transforming my "interest" in Astrology into
a "vocation," but never followed up on that till now. I knew *way* more as
a teenager and young adult than I do now, but I definitely* know more than
most folks who simply know the sun sign basics.

My intent now is to enroll in the AFA home-study course by the end of the
year, and after spending a year or so taking and passing the course, ease
into self-employment as a professional astrologer within the next 5 years
or so.

If you'd feel more comfortable analyzing my own chart, here goes: I was
born 2 June 1955, 12:30 AM EDST, at the Binghamton General Hospital (now
under the auspices of United Health Care) in Binghamton, New York. I have
nothing to hide. OTOH, I think you'll find that my neighbor's birth info
results in a *far* more compelling chart than mine. I've plugged his data
into an online natal chart generator, but that website site no has way to
generate any kind of interpretation.

Thanks, Jean In VA
Post by Silveen
Well, well, well . .
Welcome to a.a.moderated.
Glad to see you here - a much nicer place ;-)
Wonder, if Jupiter motivated you to appear here (?)
Hope you stick around for a while.
Take care and
be well,
IRH/Silveen
BTW: perhaps some good books and some programs ought to be
recommendet to Jean ? There are some very good and free programs
definitely good for starters, but which also established astrologers are
still using.
Would be good to know what books, etc. Jean already has and what
the real goal is from now on ( like an extended hobby ? I believe it is
the best hobby in the world, a leaning that never stops, is never boring :)
Jean, let us know the current level of your understanding/studies,
in order that we might come up with some nice ideas for you.
Take care and
be well,
IRH/Silveen
Post by Hannelore Goos
Post by Jean Barto
Hi folks,
Here's the birth data of one of my upstairs neighbors. Have gotten this
from him bit by bit the last couple of weeks. There's more to him than he
lets on, or perhaps he knows himself...
Hello Jean,
did you ask your neighbour if he wishes his chart to be discussed in the
public?
Following the rules of the German Astrologer's Society it is regarded as
absolutely unethical to post and discuss astrological data of a living
person who did not wish this expressively. The only exemption are public
persons such as filmstars, politicians and so on.
Besides - such a discussion is worth nothing: We do not know your neighbour
and whenever you say "this is right" or "this is wrong" we can believe it
or not.
So, if you really wish to discuss a chart with us, take a person who is
commonly known, so we can check ourselves, if an interpretation is right or
wrong.
--
Hannelore Goos
_ _
_ _ _ /(_(_(\ _ _ _
((_(_(_(/ \(_(_'#') Where is the next cupboard?
http://www.sonnenastro.de
Hannelore Goos
2009-10-15 10:56:15 UTC
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Hello Jean,
first of all, please excuse my English. It's now almost 45 years that I
obtained the last lesson in this language and it faded out a little bit.
Post by Jean Barto
I was
born 2 June 1955, 12:30 AM EDST, at the Binghamton General Hospital (now
under the auspices of United Health Care) in Binghamton, New York. I have
nothing to hide.
So I had a look on your chart.

There are two constellations that are probably of interest for you:

Neptun in 2, Pluto in 12 and Saturn in 3. There is a German astrologer
(Döbereiner) who calles this this "born-out-of-wedlock"-constellation. This
does not reflect to the formal wedlock or not situation. I found this
constellation in the chart of persons, whose father died in war before they
were born. Saturn in 3 might mean that there was a older brother who took
the role of a father.

The other constellation is Chiron Conjuction Vertex in the 5th house.
Reflecting my own chiron-studies (which are not yet published) this means,
that you were not allowed to play and enjoy yourself when you were in the
Age of about 5 - 7 years. This seems to be in connection with some fatal
circumstance, probably a insanity because of the nearness to the beginning
of the 6th house.

As you wrote that you have already studied your chart, I only mention
interpretations which are not so common.
--
Hannelore Goos
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_ _ _ /(_(_(\ _ _ _
((_(_(_(/ \(_(_'#') Where is the next cupboard?
http://www.sonnenastro.de
Jean Barto
2009-10-16 04:29:46 UTC
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Thanks for replying. I only know my chart aspects as they relate to the
Sun, Moon, Ascendant, and the nine planets (I consider Pluto a
planet--that's what I learned in school).

Here is some information that you can use to further perfect your analysis:

I'm an only child of older parents. My father was nearly 50, and my mother
was 39 when I was born. My parents married on 7 October 1954, and I only
found out in my early 20s that my mother was two months or so pregnant when
they married. BTW, my father divorced another woman to marry my mother--and
that divorce was final on 4 October 1954, only three days before they
married!

To the best of my knowledge--I asked my father--I don't have any older
half-siblings from my father's first marriage. I'm also fairly sure that my
mother wasn't married previously--at least that's what she told me when I
became aware of my father's prior marriage.

My mother nearly died of a ruptured bile duct when I was 5 1/2 or 6 years
old, and at some point during the time when she was hospitalized and
recovering, I lived for a time down the street at my best friend's house.
Supposedly, my father could not care for me and work in his management
position at IBM at the same time. At least that's what *I* was told! In
any case, perhaps that is the trauma seen in that Chiron aspect you mention.

At the time, I thought that staying down the street was more of an adventure
than anything else--an extended sleepover, perhaps--and although I knew my
mother was in the hospital, I wasn't truly aware of how sick she actually
was until my father brought me to see her in the hospital after she was
starting to get better. I hardly recognized her because she had lost so
much weight, and seeing her actually scared me!

Of course, absent exhuming my parents and taking tissue/tooth samples of
their remains for DNA analysis, I don't know *absolutely* that my parents
are actually *my parents*! Back fifty-plus years ago, I am aware that birth
data was falsified from time to time, and you never know what what people
might do in order to adopt a child.

Even being brought up by parents who were older than the norm back then, I
had a wonderful childhood with parents that loved me, where I wanted for
nothing. They were a little strict when I was a teenager, and I, of course,
chafed at that. However, I was *not* overly rebellious as a teenager
vis-à-vis my parents--not nearly as much so as some of my friends, I can
tell you that.

In conclusion, I will say that my parents prepared me for being on my own
(without them) far more than most only children are. They made sure I knew
about money and finances, even though they didn't push me into working after
school as a teenager or during summers while I was in college.

Anyway, thanks for bringing up these other aspects about my chart, and
perhaps this thread can generate some discussion here on the newsgroup!

Jean Barto
Norfolk, VA
Post by Hannelore Goos
Hello Jean,
first of all, please excuse my English. It's now almost 45 years that I
obtained the last lesson in this language and it faded out a little bit.
Post by Jean Barto
I was
born 2 June 1955, 12:30 AM EDST, at the Binghamton General Hospital (now
under the auspices of United Health Care) in Binghamton, New York. I have
nothing to hide.
So I had a look on your chart.
Neptun in 2, Pluto in 12 and Saturn in 3. There is a German astrologer
(Döbereiner) who calles this this "born-out-of-wedlock"-constellation. This
does not reflect to the formal wedlock or not situation. I found this
constellation in the chart of persons, whose father died in war before they
were born. Saturn in 3 might mean that there was a older brother who took
the role of a father.
The other constellation is Chiron Conjuction Vertex in the 5th house.
Reflecting my own chiron-studies (which are not yet published) this means,
that you were not allowed to play and enjoy yourself when you were in the
Age of about 5 - 7 years. This seems to be in connection with some fatal
circumstance, probably a insanity because of the nearness to the beginning
of the 6th house.
As you wrote that you have already studied your chart, I only mention
interpretations which are not so common.
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