Interpreting Psychological influences

[mamy]

I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc. Thank you all.

[mamy]

Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc.   Thank you all.

Come on you guys anyone to help please, strange this group is known
for its' helpful spirit where are you?

[don hindenach]

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Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc. � Thank you all.

Come on you guys anyone to help please, strange this group is known
for its' helpful spirit where are you?

first you have to start making sense. even allowing for language issues, you
have a ways to go.

[mamy]

Post by mamy

Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc. ÿ Thank you all.

Come on you guys anyone to help please, strange this group is known
for its' helpful spirit where are you?

first you have to start making sense.  even allowing for language issues, you
have a ways to go.
--
 -donh-
donh at audiosys dot com

Would you please tell me what exactly that is not making sense is it
the language or the birth data or the influence of the moon? Thank you
for responding any way.

[don hindenach]

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Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc. � Thank you all.

Come on you guys anyone to help please, strange this group is known
for its' helpful spirit where are you?

first you have to start making sense. �even allowing for language issues, you
have a ways to go.
--
�-donh-
donh at audiosys dot com

Would you please tell me what exactly that is not making sense is it
the language or the birth data or the influence of the moon? Thank you
for responding any way.

After reading your convoluted paragraph about 20 times it appears that you are
asking if progressed aspects end.

Yes, the affects of transitting and progressed aspects end. They are, indeed,
transitory.

However, they end in an area of time rather than at a specific time. Hence the
concept of "orb".

I hope this makes sense.

[mamy]

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Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc. ˜ Thank you all.

Come on you guys anyone to help please, strange this group is known
for its' helpful spirit where are you?

first you have to start making sense. ÿeven allowing for language issues, you
have a ways to go.
--
ÿ-donh-
donh at audiosys dot com

Would you please tell me what exactly that is not making sense is it
the language or the birth data or the influence of the moon? Thank you
for responding any way.

After reading your convoluted paragraph about 20 times it appears that you are
asking if progressed aspects end.
Yes, the affects of transitting and progressed aspects end.  They are, indeed,
transitory.  
However, they end in an area of time rather than at a specific time.  Hence the
concept of "orb".  
I hope this makes sense.
--
 -donh-
donh at audiosys dot com

Convoluted or not, thank you for taking the time to answer.
However, your answer brings another question.
As I said, the moon conj. the Asc. progressions and transits end.
Does that mean the 12th house influence via the moon will end by the
end of the transit?

[don hindenach]

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Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc. � Thank you all.

Come on you guys anyone to help please, strange this group is known
for its' helpful spirit where are you?

first you have to start making sense. �even allowing for language issues, you
have a ways to go.
--
�-donh-
donh at audiosys dot com

Would you please tell me what exactly that is not making sense is it
the language or the birth data or the influence of the moon? Thank you
for responding any way.

After reading your convoluted paragraph about 20 times it appears that you are
asking if progressed aspects end.
Yes, the affects of transitting and progressed aspects end. �They are, indeed,
transitory. �
However, they end in an area of time rather than at a specific time. �Hence the
concept of "orb". �
I hope this makes sense.
--
�-donh-
donh at audiosys dot com

Convoluted or not, thank you for taking the time to answer.
However, your answer brings another question.
As I said, the moon conj. the Asc. progressions and transits end.
Does that mean the 12th house influence via the moon will end by the
end of the transit?

these things fade in and fade out, so no/sorta/kinda/maybe.

ain't nothin' goes "click" in astrology except the time of exact aspect (I've
heard that click, and it's pretty interesting, but is just a sound).

[mamy]

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Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc. ˜ Thank you all.

Come on you guys anyone to help please, strange this group is known
for its' helpful spirit where are you?

first you have to start making sense. ÿeven allowing for language issues, you
have a ways to go.
--
ÿ-donh-
donh at audiosys dot com

Would you please tell me what exactly that is not making sense is it
the language or the birth data or the influence of the moon? Thank you
for responding any way.

After reading your convoluted paragraph about 20 times it appears that you are
asking if progressed aspects end.
Yes, the affects of transitting and progressed aspects end.  They are, indeed,
transitory.  
However, they end in an area of time rather than at a specific time.  Hence the
concept of "orb".  
I hope this makes sense.
--
 -donh-
donh at audiosys dot com

 Convoluted or not, thank you for taking the time to answer.
 However, your answer brings another question.
 As I said, the moon conj. the Asc. progressions and transits end.
 Does that mean the 12th house influence via the moon will end by the
end of the transit?

these things fade in and fade out, so no/sorta/kinda/maybe.  
ain't nothin' goes "click" in astrology except the time of exact aspect (I've
heard that click, and it's pretty interesting, but is just a sound).
--
 -donh-
donh at audiosys dot com- Hide quoted text -
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The "click" you are talking about could exist in the perception of the
Astrologer, I for one, going through a square Moon Neptune at a
certain period of my life, could give the exact time it ended inspite
of the evasiveness of the two planets, because it had a physical
energy effect. Thank you again

[Hermes]

don hindenach wrote:

: these things fade in and fade out, so no/sorta/kinda/maybe.
:
: ain't nothin' goes "click" in astrology except the time of
: exact aspect (I've heard that click, and it's pretty
: interesting, but is just a sound).

Yeah, the exact moment when things "really happen" is still
very much a mystery, I guess. I imagine _aspects_ a bit like
this: A car is at rest in a soft valley and the aspect is
starting push the accelerator. The car will accelerate but
will only be able to exit the valley if the aspect it strong
*and* long enough to give the car enough energy to climb up
the hill. Another idea that I am toying around with is that
maybe a contact with nodes (lunar and maybe also planetary)
is necessary for something to happen. If you regard the
nodes as sort of valves or gates through which energy can
flow. The german astrologer Thomas Ring said the following
about aspects to the lunar nodes:

* No [...] it is not a force. It is only accepting - and can
* of course also be inhibited, or influenced [...] but it does
* not produce an aspect. Do you understand? - it does not put
* any force against. You are so to speak defenselessly at the
* mercy of it [...].
-- http://www.astro.com/ring/THRSem74/Grundkursus/GK23.htm
(translated from German to English by me)

In that sense, who/what would cause the nodes to open up and
let the energy flow ? When would they open and when not ?

One example: 9/11. Mars had been in Sagittarius for a very
long time and entered Capricorn shortly before 9/11. The
moment when something "really happened" was when Mars had
come into contact with the nodes (conjunction with s.node,
a pretty bad thing in terms of traditional astrology),
but again not at the exact moment of conjunction.

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Post by Hermes
: these things fade in and fade out, so no/sorta/kinda/maybe.
: ain't nothin' goes "click" in astrology except the time of
: exact aspect (I've heard that click, and it's pretty
: interesting, but is just a sound).
Yeah, the exact moment when things "really happen" is still
very much a mystery, I guess. I imagine _aspects_ a bit like
this: A car is at rest in a soft valley and the aspect is
starting push the accelerator. The car will accelerate but
will only be able to exit the valley if the aspect it strong
*and* long enough to give the car enough energy to climb up
the hill. Another idea that I am toying around with is that
maybe a contact with nodes (lunar and maybe also planetary)
is necessary for something to happen. If you regard the
nodes as sort of valves or gates through which energy can
flow. The german astrologer Thomas Ring said the following
* No [...] it is not a force. It is only accepting - and can
* of course also be inhibited, or influenced [...] but it does
* not produce an aspect. Do you understand? - it does not put
* any force against. You are so to speak defenselessly at the
* mercy of it [...].
-- http://www.astro.com/ring/THRSem74/Grundkursus/GK23.htm
(translated from German to English by me)
In that sense, who/what would cause the nodes to open up and
let the energy flow ? When would they open and when not ?
One example: 9/11. Mars had been in Sagittarius for a very
long time and entered Capricorn shortly before 9/11. The
moment when something "really happened" was when Mars had
come into contact with the nodes (conjunction with s.node,
a pretty bad thing in terms of traditional astrology),
but again not at the exact moment of conjunction.

Isn't that because the nodes makes a situation involve many people or groups
of people? I've seen this typical coincidence with planecrashes too.
I wouldn't like to fly when bad aspects + nodes involved with them were
present.

S

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[mamy]

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Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc. ÿ Thank you all.

Come on you guys anyone to help please, strange this group is known
for its' helpful spirit where are you?

first you have to start making sense.  even allowing for language issues, you
have a ways to go.
--
 -donh-
donh at audiosys dot com

Would you please tell me what exactly that is not making sense is it
the language or the birth data or the influence of the moon? Thank you
for responding any way.

[don hindenach]

Post by mamy

Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc. � Thank you all.

Come on you guys anyone to help please, strange this group is known
for its' helpful spirit where are you?

first you have to start making sense. even allowing for language issues, you
have a ways to go.

[mamy]

Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc.   Thank you all.

Come on you guys anyone to help please, strange this group is known
for its' helpful spirit where are you?

[Ed Augusts]

Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc.   Thank you all.

Natal aspects continue no matter what the transits or progression are
doing, but as the prog. Solar conj. to the Asc comes about, and Sun
moves out of the 12th House, I'd say the issues that have been
simmering in the mind and have been worked-upon psychologically as
well as astrologically, will be achieved -- come into prominence --
come to the surface rather than hiding in the 12th House. But prog.
Sun's influence should already be influencing the Ascendant even a few
degrees BEFORE it crosses it, so the 12th House issues you mention are
undoubtedly already coming to the surface. Factor to look at might be
what Sign Moon is in, and what aspects it natally forms from its 12th
House position, to see what the prog. Sun moving over that position
might mean .As examples, it may mean that many emotional and family
issues, issues involving one's mother and other female relatives, and
possibly children, may come out into the open.
Hope this helps! ---Ed www.edaugusts.com

[mamy]

Post by Ed Augusts

Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc.   Thank you all.

Natal aspects continue no matter what the transits or progression are
doing, but as the prog. Solar conj. to the Asc comes about, and Sun
moves out of the 12th House,  I'd say the issues that have been
simmering in the mind and have been worked-upon psychologically as
well as astrologically, will be achieved -- come into prominence --
come to the surface rather than hiding in the 12th House.  But prog.
Sun's influence should already be influencing the Ascendant even a few
degrees BEFORE it crosses it, so the 12th House issues you mention are
undoubtedly already coming to the surface.  Factor to look at might be
what Sign Moon is in, and what aspects it natally forms from its 12th
House position, to see what the prog. Sun moving over that position
might mean .As examples, it may mean that many emotional and family
issues, issues involving one's mother and other female relatives, and
possibly children, may come out into the open.
 Hope this helps! ---Ed  www.edaugusts.com

Thanks a lot Ed, your answer is quite helpful, if you are interested
the Progressed Sun is in 23 Libra, the moon is in 24 Libra conj.
Asc.at 25 Libra. The rest of the data is mentioned at the beginning of
the topic, but somehow the influence of Neptune in the chart and its
opposition to the Sun is Clouding my judgement so any help would be
really appreciated, thank you again.

[Ed Augusts]

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Post by Ed Augusts

Post by mamy
I am trying to interpret a complex part of a chart, the data is 18th
of August 1950 at 10h.10m. am, Cairo, Egypt local time. This persons'
progressed Sun is about to conj. the natal Moon end of next year and
conj. the natal Asc.in 2012. The focus on the moons psychological
influence is increasingly important as it also nataly conj. the Asc.
from the twelfth house and it is the ruler of the M.C. The question
here is does the psychological cleansing influence of the twelveth
house continues for always or does it end by the conj. of the Sun to
the Asc.   Thank you all.

Natal aspects continue no matter what the transits or progression are
doing, but as the prog. Solar conj. to the Asc comes about, and Sun
moves out of the 12th House,  I'd say the issues that have been
simmering in the mind and have been worked-upon psychologically as
well as astrologically, will be achieved -- come into prominence --
come to the surface rather than hiding in the 12th House.  But prog.
Sun's influence should already be influencing the Ascendant even a few
degrees BEFORE it crosses it, so the 12th House issues you mention are
undoubtedly already coming to the surface.  Factor to look at might be
what Sign Moon is in, and what aspects it natally forms from its 12th
House position, to see what the prog. Sun moving over that position
might mean .As examples, it may mean that many emotional and family
issues, issues involving one's mother and other female relatives, and
possibly children, may come out into the open.
 Hope this helps! ---Ed  www.edaugusts.com

Thanks a lot Ed, your answer is quite helpful, if you are interested
the Progressed Sun is in 23 Libra,  the moon is in 24 Libra conj.
Asc.at 25 Libra. The rest of the data is mentioned at the beginning of
the topic, but somehow the influence of Neptune in the chart and its
opposition to the Sun is Clouding my judgement so any help would be
really appreciated, thank you again.

Progressed Venus is going right over your natal Neptune right now, and
I note Venus was in the Midheaven at birth, so perhaps you're being
distracted by either pleasures of one kind or another, or hobbies, or
literally, the love of, or for, some woman. It may be difficult to
take things as seriously as you think you should right now. I say
that, because with your Mercury conjunction Saturn in Virgo, and Sun
conjunction Pluto, you may feel somewhat uncomfortable at anything
that distracts you from your main purpose, even those it may be
tempting. -----Ed .