What planet rules astrology?

[Kjell]

Traditionally, Mercury ruled astrology. In modern times, Uranus came
to be seen as the ruler. In this article Rudhyar makes a case for
seeing Neptune as its ruler.

Is it just him, or does he have a point?

http://khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/doesuranusruleastrology.php

[dionysus]

I think the answer lies with father time [Saturn],..

Argument,..
Cant we always seek outer and further uter planets to rule a topic,.
after a while one finds that all things can always be viewed from one
layer out,.. Hence we can find Astrology in all the planets, especially
'Universal' planets,.. So lets steer from them completely,..

If one, in days of old had to seek the wisdom f father time,.. regards
the limits and fixities of life,.. Would one not consult Father time
himsele if they could,. Hece the old wise man who knows the measures
from old,..

One can say in this situation,. i would go to see the priest[Jupiter],
as the indians do say,.. Although, again here one can see how it is in
all things universal that this sort of question is difficult,..

Mercury, the oration,..
Jupiter, the Myths and universal/religious roots of stellar wisdom,..
Saturn, the calculation and regulations of time cycles,.. [Cast in Stone]

Also,. Neptune/Astrologers and 'deceptive' hollywood practices,..
I feel that is stretching it,.. Mercury the lord of retrogradation!?
can't he be that as well!?

Neptune is the dark Ocean of the cosmos,.. Uranus the bright twinkle of
a star,.. Saturn the rule of Cyclic periodicity, by which all
things[vibrational states] are known,...

*Regards*

Post by Kjell
Traditionally, Mercury ruled astrology. In modern times, Uranus came
to be seen as the ruler. In this article Rudhyar makes a case for
seeing Neptune as its ruler.
Is it just him, or does he have a point?
http://khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/doesuranusruleastrology.php

[Kjell]

I think Rudhyar neglects the rôle of mathematics to astrology. Math
could hardly be Neptunian in any general sense, and without those
Uranian computers calculating for us we would not have modern
astrology as we now have it.

But father time is indeed a good suggestion, as time is the singularly
most important thing in astrology.

The reason I made the post, even if I myself do not agree with his
idea, is that I synchronously happened upon the article this weekend,
when Neptune returned to its discovery position. It made me think
about if we will hold on to the ideas of its meaning or if it will now
unfold new Neptunian perspectives we just haven't seen or thought of.
Seeing Neptune as taking over some of the things that Uranus is mostly
seen as being in charge of COULD be such a re-evaluation.

And, well, the return of more traditional forms of astrology and
articles about how astrology connects to magic would rather seem
Neptunian than Uranian (to me at least, anyone disagreeing?), so I
cannot say the man is dead wrong just because I do not agree.

/Kjell

Post by dionysus
I think the answer lies with father time [Saturn],..
Argument,..
Cant we always seek outer and further uter planets to rule a topic,.
after a while one finds that all things can always be viewed from one
layer out,.. Hence we can find Astrology in all the planets, especially
'Universal' planets,.. So lets steer from them completely,..
If one, in days of old had to seek the wisdom f father time,.. regards
the limits and fixities of life,.. Would one not consult Father time
himsele if they could,. Hece the old wise man who knows the measures
from old,..
One can say in this situation,. i would go to see the priest[Jupiter],
as the indians do say,.. Although, again here one can see how it is in
all things universal that this sort of question is difficult,..
Mercury, the oration,..
Jupiter, the Myths and universal/religious roots of stellar wisdom,..
Saturn, the calculation and regulations of time cycles,.. [Cast in Stone]
Also,. Neptune/Astrologers and 'deceptive' hollywood practices,..
I feel that is stretching it,.. Mercury the lord of retrogradation!?
can't he be that as well!?
Neptune is the dark Ocean of the cosmos,.. Uranus the bright twinkle of
a star,.. Saturn the rule of Cyclic periodicity, by which all
things[vibrational states] are known,...
*Regards*

Post by Kjell
Traditionally, Mercury ruled astrology. In modern times, Uranus came
to be seen as the ruler. In this article Rudhyar makes a case for
seeing Neptune as its ruler.
Is it just him, or does he have a point?
http://khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/doesuranusruleastrology.php

[dionysus]

Post by Kjell
I think Rudhyar neglects the rôle of mathematics to astrology.

I think in his wrapping "Cycles" around the knuckles of modern Astrology
he did very much embrace the underlying mathematics of Astrology,..

Very interesting too, you make me think,..

Is it not thru the cyclic periodicity of an average garden swing, say,
that we can fall into that Neptunian slumber,.. That very Neptunian edge
you mention Rudhyar for,.. He leads us to Neptune's door with the math
as his logical counterpart,..

**Understanding cycles is what W.D.Gann was well known for, Stocks
Genius,.. He reckoned every share had a vibrational rate,.. get
that!?!,.. absolute esoterica used by one of the most successful traders
ever,..

He mentioned 'tunnels through the air' as a subtitle to one of his texts
if i recall correctly,..


I think we have to remember we are always talking about 'One' thing,..
then measuring it by all the different measure rules we have,
ie, measures/periods/planets,..

So as such, again,. they are all constituent colours of the 'One' light,
the Sun,. the object of that which we speak in any conversation say,..

It all depends on the angle of the bevel refracting the light,.. What
aspect of the whole we are penetrating,..

Hence too then that we will find things that seem not related, but
really are, if you look another way at it,. Like Neptune's rhythm and
Father time in this case,..

........that mythical slow rocky boat ride over the ocean that puts one
to sleep,..

We are actually blessed to be Astrologers,..
Who on earth do you know that takes the time to wander these passages of
our antiquated mind,..

Thanks for the interesting topic,..


Math

Post by Kjell
could hardly be Neptunian in any general sense, and without those
Uranian computers calculating for us we would not have modern
astrology as we now have it.
But father time is indeed a good suggestion, as time is the singularly
most important thing in astrology.
The reason I made the post, even if I myself do not agree with his
idea, is that I synchronously happened upon the article this weekend,
when Neptune returned to its discovery position. It made me think
about if we will hold on to the ideas of its meaning or if it will now
unfold new Neptunian perspectives we just haven't seen or thought of.
Seeing Neptune as taking over some of the things that Uranus is mostly
seen as being in charge of COULD be such a re-evaluation.
And, well, the return of more traditional forms of astrology and
articles about how astrology connects to magic would rather seem
Neptunian than Uranian (to me at least, anyone disagreeing?), so I
cannot say the man is dead wrong just because I do not agree.
/Kjell

Post by dionysus
I think the answer lies with father time [Saturn],..
Argument,..
Cant we always seek outer and further uter planets to rule a topic,.
after a while one finds that all things can always be viewed from one
layer out,.. Hence we can find Astrology in all the planets, especially
'Universal' planets,.. So lets steer from them completely,..
If one, in days of old had to seek the wisdom f father time,.. regards
the limits and fixities of life,.. Would one not consult Father time
himsele if they could,. Hece the old wise man who knows the measures
from old,..
One can say in this situation,. i would go to see the priest[Jupiter],
as the indians do say,.. Although, again here one can see how it is in
all things universal that this sort of question is difficult,..
Mercury, the oration,..
Jupiter, the Myths and universal/religious roots of stellar wisdom,..
Saturn, the calculation and regulations of time cycles,.. [Cast in Stone]
Also,. Neptune/Astrologers and 'deceptive' hollywood practices,..
I feel that is stretching it,.. Mercury the lord of retrogradation!?
can't he be that as well!?
Neptune is the dark Ocean of the cosmos,.. Uranus the bright twinkle of
a star,.. Saturn the rule of Cyclic periodicity, by which all
things[vibrational states] are known,...
*Regards*

Post by Kjell
Traditionally, Mercury ruled astrology. In modern times, Uranus came
to be seen as the ruler. In this article Rudhyar makes a case for
seeing Neptune as its ruler.
Is it just him, or does he have a point?
http://khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/doesuranusruleastrology.php

[Kjell]

Post by dionysus
I think in his wrapping "Cycles" around the knuckles of modern Astrology
he did very much embrace the underlying mathematics of Astrology,..

Well, yes, in a way. I was more thinking of math as heavy calculation
and computation, which I regard as Uranian, but you have a point.

However, personally, I think cycles are relevant only when speaking of
the hard aspects. It is only when dividing by two that we have a
result that reproduces its origin, or so my inner Pythagorean
numerologist would say. All even numbers are in some sense the same,
every odd number is in some sense unique. And I think -- correct me if
I am wrong! -- that Rudhyar applies cyclicity to not only oppositions,
squares etc but to trines, septiles and the whole gamut. If my idea,
that cycles are relevant only when we speak of hard aspects, is
correct, than the math required by Rudhyar's cycles is of a fairly
easy sort; "divide by two".

But I may be wrong!

I checked my own chart against the discovery chart of Neptune, and
found some interesting things that might support the idea of Neptune
ruling astrology (if I consider myself as an example indicating
anything in this matter). OTOH, I have Uranus conjoined with my Moon,
so both planets actually make for a good fit.

Post by dionysus
Is it not thru the cyclic periodicity of an average garden swing, say,
that we can fall into that Neptunian slumber,.. That very Neptunian edge
you mention Rudhyar for,.. He leads us to Neptune's door with the math
as his logical counterpart,..

When I think of cycles and how to describe them astrologically, with
planets that is, I think the Sun and the Moon are the most convincing
of the heavenly bodies. Every planet is cyclical, of course, but the
regularity of the luminaries is somehow foundational, perhaps with
Venus added in a supporting rôle.

Post by dionysus
He mentioned 'tunnels through the air' as a subtitle to one of his texts
if i recall correctly,..

That sounds very interesting!

Post by dionysus
Hence too then that we will find things that seem not related, but
really are, if you look another way at it,. Like Neptune's rhythm and
Father time in this case,..

Yes, how and where Neptune and Saturn intersect is a very interesting
topic, extremely interesting I would say. A more antithetical pair is
hard to find!

/K

[dionysus]

Post by Kjell
However, personally, I think cycles are relevant only when speaking of
the hard aspects.

I actually have too much to say here regards, just deleted endless
explanations,.. and again,...

Simply put,..
I can't look at any planet without looking at its phase relation with
it's boss,..

Ie,. Mars? look to Jupiter,.. Jupiter? look to Saturn,..

This is the only way to know how the planet will behave apart from it's
sign placing/regular aspects etc,..

For a minor example,. look to Bell, Edison, Tesla, Marconi and Hertz's
charts,..

Mars last quart to Jupiter is very different to Mars first quart from
Jupiter,.. Same with the rest,..

The morning of ANY cycle bears vastly different qualities to the evening
of any cycle,..

Cycles synchronise everything in my meta/world view,..

Tunnels through the air !

[dionysus]

A great example of what i'm on about,.. today's birthdays over at the
astrodatabank site,..

Donati, Francois - Italian journalist; writer on stock market trends.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Donati%2C_Francois

See there his Saturn Opposite Uranus,..
See his Jupiter at the final minute of the Jup - Sat cycle,...
See Mars 10th to Jupiter,..
See Moon last minute as well to Sun,..

Notice that there are two real slender final phase aspects on the go ,.
Jup to Sat and Moon to Sun

Notice he did not invest, but observed and noted investments,..
an 11/12th Hse observer type,.. not a 1st/2nd hse investor type,...

As per my Queue analogy, he is there as an end of the queue character,.
One who observes most of the proceedings,..

stretching it a bit further >>>>>

He feels left out? He died of Cancer, water signs should be present and
then yes,. the maturity of the Saturn Uranus relationship is at its peak,..

well Uranus Pisces 4th,.. Saturn leading the whole upper complex of
planets is opposed to him,.. He felt left out and became an observer
early on,..

Mars 10th to Jupiter,. Mars likes the tenth to anything,.. In Gemini,..
Peer group issues would back up the isolation concept,..

In the final hour isolation feels very intense,.. here i stand at the
rear, if the one in front don't turn to chat, i'm left out,..
the last one to get off the bus,.. the last one well,. that never made
it out the wreck,. the last,...
There are archetypes in cycles alone,. you don't need signs,. signs are
the first analogy of the positions in a cycle,..

each part of the wave has its own inherent gravities and momentums,..

There is energy in the cyclic concept alone,. I think the whole cyclic
topic is very much understated, hence my actual patronage on this topic,..

*regards*

[dionysus]

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Regiomontanus

See how in Regiomontanus how advanced all of his planetary cycles are,..

Uranus last quarter to Neptune,..
Saturn 7th 8th to Uranus,..
Jupiter passed the full to Saturn
Mars Last Quart to Jupiter, very advanced here near the end,...
This is how he is a tower,..


Moon to Saturn in Pisece more a boat,.. sailing through the aeons of time,..
Moon last quart to Sun might we add,..

near on all of his cycles are near or beyond last quarter in their
phases,.. Jupiter to Saturn being the only outstanding there,..

Earth to Mars would then also be coming in to full,..
Very good example of maturity of cycles,.. to the D-Day of birth even,..
Characters woven into the tapestry of time

[Kjell]

Post by Kjell
The reason I made the post, even if I myself do not agree with his
idea, is that I synchronously happened upon the article this weekend,
when Neptune returned to its discovery position.

Well, that needs correction and clarification.

Neptune did not return to its exact discovery position this weekend,
it does so a few times this year though. Interestingly, however,
Jupiter conjoins it three times during this time period, and THAT was
what happened last weekend -- perhaps leading to a wider scope of
"responsibilities" for Neptune. I was thinking something like that,
but cut out too much when trying to explain myself.

Sorry about the confusion.

/K

[Hermes]

[note crosspost]

Kjell wrote:

: > The reason I made the post, even if I myself do not agree with his
: > idea, is that I synchronously happened upon the article this weekend,
: > when Neptune returned to its discovery position.
:
: Well, that needs correction and clarification.
:
: Neptune did not return to its exact discovery position this weekend,
: it does so a few times this year though. Interestingly, however,
: Jupiter conjoins it three times during this time period, and THAT was
: what happened last weekend -- perhaps leading to a wider scope of
: "responsibilities" for Neptune. I was thinking something like that,
: but cut out too much when trying to explain myself.
:
: Sorry about the confusion.

Galileo spotted Neptune twice in 1612/13 while observing the moons
of Jupiter and even noted Neptune as a dot in his journal, but did
not recognize it as a planet, also because Neptune was practically
stationary the first time, conjunct Jupiter at about 26 Virgo.

Last weekend, it was again Neptune who stationed conjunct Jupiter
(and also conjunct Cheiron) at about 26 Aquarius, i.e. Quincunx.

Would explain at least some of the confusion (Neptune/Quincunx).
There has also been quite a bit of confusion around the official
("conscious") discovery of Neptune in 1846.

I would say Neptune could be seen as at least ruling some aspects
of astrology, at least in our current (relatively aquarian) times,
namely the fact that all attempts prove astrology scientifically
(= rather Uranus) have failed so far, no necessarily because it
would be so hard to do this per se, but maybe also because the
ones who try are often lead "by Neptune" to confusion and many
others chose to look away anyway. Or something like that... ;)

Besides the planets that have been mentioned (Saturn, Uranus,
Neptune, Mercury), what about the Sun ?

See e.g. this drawing which shows the Sun god Apollon standing
in the zodiac wheel:

Loading Image...
Full article: http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_sungod_e.htm

Exceptional one-time post - until next time there is something
really "big" necessary to announce, I guess (maybe)...

)o+

--
http://www.exactphilosophy.net/
Something different...

[Feel free to quote all or parts of my post, if you like, despite the "X-No-Archive: yes" header]

[dionysus]

Galileo spotted Neptune twice in 1612/13 ,.. Neptune was practically
stationary the first time, conjunct Jupiter at about 26 Virgo.

and the USA chart,.. Neptune is where!?

Jupiter Neptune and the first African Negro President of the Nation,..
What is this Hollywood!? - you have to be kidding me !?


- Hypnotised to the floorboards more like it,...

[dionysus]

Post by Hermes
Galileo spotted Neptune twice in 1612/13 while observing the moons
of Jupiter and even noted Neptune as a dot in his journal, but did
not recognize it as a planet, also because Neptune was practically
stationary the first time, conjunct Jupiter at about 26 Virgo.

seriously!? never heard that myself, very interesting, thanks for
that,.. will read up,.. cheers,..

[a***@yahoo.com]

Post by Kjell
Traditionally, Mercury ruled astrology. In modern times, Uranus came
to be seen as the ruler. In this article Rudhyar makes a case for
seeing Neptune as its ruler.
Is it just him, or does he have a point?
http://khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/doesuranusruleastrology.php

shrugs


Astrology has really diverged from Astronomy since the Discovery of
Uranus. Astrologers differ in their views,and there is a lot of
disagreement about what methods to use. I believe that it's better to
agree to disagree. It would be nice if astrologers even think of other
astrological systems as equal and not viewing them as
inferior,inaccurate,nor nonsense. Like I said before, not only is
their discord among astronomers but discord among astrologers.

I feel that all this relates to Eris which I believe rules Astrology
along with Uranus. Astrology is a controversial subject in mainstream
society.

Even consider it's orbit. Uranus' orbit eccentricity is 0.044 405 586,
but Eris' orbit eccentrity is 0.441 77. Therefore, Eris' orbit is more
eccentric than Uranus' orbit. It would be logical to think that Eris
more eccentric than Uranus in its astrology. Uranus orbital
inclination is 0.772 556°, but Eris orbit is 44.187°. Eris' orbit is
more inclined. Uranus' orbit mean anomaly is 142.955 717°,but Eris'
orbit mean anomaly is 197.634 27°. Eris' orbit is more of an anomaly
than Uranus. Conclusion of Eris being more of an anomaly than Uranus
in regards to Astrological characteristics makes sense to me. Uranus
travels on the ecliptic like all the other planets do,and it's in the
constellation of Aquarius right now. Eris travels far off the ecliptic
plane,and is in the constellation of Cetus which is not one of the
zodiac constellations. Uranus doesn't have a highly elliptical orbit
like Eris does. Unlike Uranus,Eris is a scattered disk object. Of
course, Eris is far smaller than Uranus,but larger than Pluto. Eris is
a lot more divergent than Uranus can ever be. Eris doesn't fit in with
the other planets just like the mythological Eris didn't fit in with
the major Greek deities. Therefore it makes perfect sense for me to
consider divergence and diversity can be keywords for Eris.


I believe that Eris has to do with divergence,diversity more than
Uranus does. Wars are fought because of differences in
views,opinions,and beliefs.
People fought others that are different from them. People had that
"you're wrong and I am right" mentality, and I see that going on in
regards to morals,ethics,religion,politics,education,scientific
fields,relationships,the food that we eat...I hate to say,but I see it
in Astrology too. Even Steven Forrest who has a close Moon-Eris
conjunction says that there is a Tower of Babel going on among
astrologers,and he pointed out that the idea of one true Astrology is
a myth and destructive.

Dr. Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the
California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of
ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena and that had been designated 2003
UB313, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in
Greek mythology.
“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Brown said, given the continuing
discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should
have retained its planetary status.
In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.
“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them
think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Brown
said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

It seems all about ideology,diversity,equality matters in general.
Eris can be about "-isms"
All these seem to pertain to Astrology. I believe that Astrology is
not only viewed as a science,art, but it is also can be viewed as a
religion. There does tend to be a belief in divine order in Astrology
for some astrologers....especially Vedic Astrologers who believe in
Vedic Astrology based on the Vedas. Some karmic astrologers believe in
Astrology can tell about the soul,karma,reincarnation,past lives. I
even believe that many astrologers can unconsciously approach
Astrology as a religion when they are defending what they often review
as a divine or sacred science. Some also don't want things to be
changed in Astrology. This goes for mainstream Astrology which uses
the outerplanets which most Vedic Astrologers and Classical
Astrologers don't used and definitely were not used by the ancient
Astrologers. Astronomers can be perceived as religiously when they
attack Astrology. Same with many skeptics of Astrology. I would say
that Astrologers,astronomers,skeptics,and religious people are more
alike that they thought. People can be more than one of those things.
I have been religious in my life. I have been an atheist and skeptical
of Astrology. I have been passionate in defending Astrology to
skeptics in the past too. I have been passion in defending
unconventional Astrology to skeptical mainstream astrologers in the
past too. Even now, I am skeptical of some mainstream astrological
methods just like I am skeptical of some eclectic astrological
methods, but I tolerate and respect them. I don't like focusing a lot
on zodiac signs nor houses,and so I want a more geometrical based
system like Cosmobiology is. I already prefer Cosmobiology over
mainstream Astrology when it comes to medical Astrology. I am becoming
skeptical of using soft aspects when looking at events. I definitely
like a more astronomically oriented Astrology that I even considered
adding Right Ascension in my use of Astrology. Right Ascension are the
equatorial longitude coordinates that astronomers use to locate
objects. I already use the declinations regularly just like
astronomers do to locate objects. I have also even thought about using
only the actual constellations and not the tropical zodiac signs nor
the sidereal zodiac signs. I am skeptical of using a tropical zodiac
(northern hemisphere season based zodiac) for people born in Southern
Hemisphere like Australians and New Zealanders. However, I tolerate
and respect others that use the things that I am skeptical of. I am a
believer in tolerating and accepting diversity in Astrology.



I also want to discuss Eris in Uranus' Discovery chart. It's relevant
to show how the energy of Eris played into the divergence of Astrology
and Astronomy.

I checked out any Eris activity during the discovery of Uranus which
could reflect that Eris' energy was also involved and that some of its
characteristics were assigned to Uranus. Maybe Astrologers picked up
on Eris' energy when it was considering Uranus' role in Astrology. It
was the discovery of Uranus that disrupted the longtime view of only 7
planets in the solar system which fit with the view of 7 as a sacred
number. Of course, it was the discovery of Uranus that led to
Astrology and Astronomy diverging from each other as well as even
Astrologers diverging from each other.

Uranus discovery chart:
March 13, 1781
Bath,England
12:00 PM..not sure of actual time


Mercury in 11'10 Aries
Eris in 13'54 Capricorn
(The Mercury square Eris could relate to perceptions linked to Eris
that helped Uranus be discovered which lead to causing disorder in
organization of perceptions of the old solar system just like Eris'
discovery led to disorder in organization of perceptions of what
constitutes a planet leading to Pluto being demoted from major planet
to minor planet,and made equals with Ceres with both Pluto and Ceres
being classed as dwarf planets. This aspect could be about
divergent,diverse communications,mental activity,ideas.)


I checked to see if any connections to Geocentric Eris Nodes as well
as Heliocentric Nodes

Venus in 2'21 Pisces
sextile North Eris Node in 2'21 Taurus
trine South Eris Node in 3'39 Scorpio
sextile/trine Heliocentric Nodes in 2'34 Taurus/Scorpio
This could be values,love,relationships connected to the collective
issues of diversity,discord,equal rights
(so Uranus Discovery chart's Venus trines South Eris Node and sextiles
the North Eris Node
note: The Eris North Node is sextile its dispositor,Venus...so a
double whammy of Eris Node-Venus.)


I checked the Heliocentic Chart (After all..there is such thing as
heliocentric Astrology...Philip Sedgwick has a book on it called Sun
At The Center..I have that book too)

Heliocentric Mercury in 2'00 Cancer
sextile/trine Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 2'34 Scorpio
(This could be communications,mental activity,ideas that are connected
to the collective issues of diversity,discord,equal rights)
Heliocentric Mercury is also the dispositor of the Heliocentric North
Uranus Node in 12'50 Gemini

Heliocentric Mars in 13'26 Scorpio
sextile Heliocentric Eris in 12'44 Capricorn
(this could be activity that is diverse,divergent)

Heliocentric Eris also squares its own Perihelion/Aphelion in 11'50
Libra/Aries


I checked to see connections to Eris Perigree/Apogee axis

Perigree:The point nearest the Earth in the orbit of a planet or other
celestial body.

Apogee: The point furthest from the Earth in the orbit of a planet or
other celestial body.


Mercury is in 11'10 aries
Eris Apogee is in 11'40 aries
Eris Perigree is in 12'18 libra


So Mercury is aspected to not only Eris but Eris perigree/apogee axis
and Heliocentric Mercury aspected to Heliocentric Eris Nodes
suggesting that Uranus is connected to Eris and that astrologers were
picking up on Erisian energy in Uranus and assigning some
characteristics to Uranus that actually belong to Eris.

Could it be that the discovery of Uranus that ended up causing
controversy,chaos in regards to view of the solar system which also
ended up turning astrologers into not only minorities and outcasts
from the academic,science fields but also created diversity,divergence
in Astrology(for instance,some astrologers don't use the outerplanets
and think that's the only right way to do Astrology) is linked to
Eris? I believe that's the case. I believe that Eris could be co-ruler
of Astrology along with Uranus.



Raymond

[dionysus]

Of interest this morning on Astrodatabank,..
Astrologer,.. Dernay, Eugene,.. Uranus no where to be seen,. Sun
conjunct Neptune and Pluto,... There you go then,..

Although,.. Sun Gemini Moon Virgo applying to conjoin Saturn,..
Mars in Aquarius,..
So we do have a accented Mercury and Saturn n the chart,. To Uranus does
feature through inconjunct and a Mars in Aquarius,..

But yes,. just thought that would be a god one for you Kjell,.. There's
your Neptune,.

Will surf through as many Astrologers charts as i can, lets see who's
who there!? - will probably evince the different types of astrologers,..

I myself have a grand trine,. Mercury on the mid heaven in Aquarius,..
trine Saturn Gemini second and Uranus Libra 6th,.. Pretty conclusive
there,.. I am an Aquarian Sun trine Pluto and sextile Neptune,... I
feel all that, but as such use the mercury Saturn Uranus to isolate and
concentrate all these deep feelings through the system of Astrology,..
Deep feelings can get messy, hence Astrology keeps me on track there,..

Co-incidentally,. i am born n the same day as C.E.O. Carter,.. Funny i
really resonate with his techniques,...

Post by Kjell
Traditionally, Mercury ruled astrology. In modern times, Uranus came
to be seen as the ruler. In this article Rudhyar makes a case for
seeing Neptune as its ruler.
Is it just him, or does he have a point?
http://khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/doesuranusruleastrology.php

[Kjell]

Post by dionysus
Co-incidentally,. i am born n the same day as C.E.O. Carter,.. Funny i
really resonate with his techniques,...

Tell us more! :-)

I have a similar example myself, but I'd like to hear what you say
before I share it.

/K

[dionysus]

Post by Kjell

Post by dionysus
Co-incidentally,. i am born n the same day as C.E.O. Carter,.. Funny i
really resonate with his techniques,...

Tell us more! :-)

Not much really,.. I don't fantasize about being someone i'm not,..

Similar's being,..

Sun same degree of Aquarius, /as i said,..
Moon in Taurus 6deg difference,..

Saturn Cancer,. mine ret into Gemini, but cuspal,..
Uranus Libra trine Mercury in Aquarius,.. Same as in mine,..

But yes,. one similar that as i mention,. i like his style,.. that first
quart moon in Taurus,.. The Aquarian who attempts to bring it all down
to earth,.. I like trying for that myself,..

And you!? lol, we must all have Astrologers on our birthdays,..

[dionysus]

Again Astrologer born today,.. Eliot Jay Tanzer,.. Sun in Gemini
Conjunct Uranus,..

He was also a teacher, writer and publisher,.. Geminian all three,..

So i think we are going to start finding who appreciates and furthers
what aspects f the field if we continue to look at astrologers charts to
define this query,...

Post by Kjell
Traditionally, Mercury ruled astrology. In modern times, Uranus came
to be seen as the ruler. In this article Rudhyar makes a case for
seeing Neptune as its ruler.
Is it just him, or does he have a point?
http://khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/doesuranusruleastrology.php